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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Josh was good but he needs better choreography. He did so much arm reaching. I wasn't sure what he was trying to grab and bring close to his body.
    Why, his beautiful first love, of course.

    I always feel sorry for Josh when people criticise his choreography since he did most of it himself. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Australian :(

    I can't wait to see his LP now. I love his Liebestraume. If there was a program I could happily see a skater keep for two or three seasons, that's it.
    Seriously I hope you get to watch it. Mistakes and all it as absolutely gorgeous -- you can tell the audience was taken in. And I really do feel like he's improved even more in the artistry department. He really projected himself out there -- you could be in the last row of that arena and be touched by his skating.

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    Great showing today by Alexander Johnson and Jason Brown. I really enjoyed their skates.

    Maybe Jeremy was in shock and didn't think to congratulate Max, he was in his own depressed bubble.

    The torch has been passed. Max was on fire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkusNJ View Post
    similar to Miria having to be dragged out of the kiss and cry.....
    I'm assuming you mean Mirai, and--not to turn this thread into a discussion about the ladies--she wasn't "dragged" from the Kiss & Cry. If you watch the video of her reaction, she very gracefully stood and exited the arena through the tunnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitt View Post
    Great showing today by Alexander Johnson and Jason Brown. I really enjoyed their skates.

    Maybe Jeremy was in shock and didn't think to congratulate Max, he was in his own depressed bubble.

    The torch has been passed. Max was on fire!
    Yes Alexander Johnson was amazing! I don't think anyone noticed that he finished 5th in the free skate! I will definitely be watching that one again!

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    Stick a fork in Abbott. He is done. He can join Weir and Lysacek on the scrap heap, they are done too. It is all about the newcomers from now old. No point holding on to ancient old relics whose time is either long up even if they dont get the clue (Lysacek) or who for years has failed to produce when it matters (Abbott). Next years Olympic team will be a fight between all the younger generation of men, both the middle aged (Miner, Dornbush) and the really young (Brown, Farris, et al).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Seriously I hope you get to watch it. Mistakes and all it as absolutely gorgeous -- you can tell the audience was taken in. And I really do feel like he's improved even more in the artistry department. He really projected himself out there -- you could be in the last row of that arena and be touched by his skating.
    I made the investment for IceNetwork this weekend and even though I'm geoblocked from the live stuff, I'm glad I did. I'll be headed straight for JAson's skate when the men's LPs are put up though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I do think this team is solid, but I think Abbott is certainly capable of pulling a Gachinski (either way). At this point I think giving the young kid some experience is a good idea for USFSA's long term future....And sending Miner who is reliable is too. I frankly thought Farris was the one who really got hosed. Although I find Farris a bit boring. Still the most likely of the top USA four to be a champ.

    I actually do love Abbott's skating and would love for him to pull a Kostner and get his act full together...But Kostner's "act together" didn't happen magically after a mess of a season... It happened over the course of two season of more consistent like performances)... I think the USFSA is smart to tell Abbott to either get i together-or go home.
    Kostner often or the majority of times also found a way to medal whether you call it good skating skills or good no amazing luck she somehow is lie that mosquito that won't go away eventually she will get a bite, even a nibble and enough for a medal. I am sure everyone is in shock..I have heard - did the USFA name the world team. I am not so sure thoug this combo is likely to earn three spots (Aaron and Miner).

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    My bottom line is I really love Ross, Jeremy, Adam, Richard, Jason, Josh and truly all of these guys, all of these skaters. Whoever thinks figure skating is a sissy sport -- they know absolutely nothing about what it takes, OMG!

    But the real bottom line pretty much is that the stakes are quite high these days, the landscape is completely different, and the ground is shifting beneath our feet. Moreover, even though ice is slippery and backing a young gun with no top senior international experience might be a recipe for disaster, the fact is the U.S. is bringing up the rear in the development of quads, so when you have strong guys who've dedicated themselves to mastering quads while still trying to develop all aspects of their skating, if you don't reward them now, WHEN? I absolutely love Jeremy, but he was overshadowed in the fp at these championships, even with his beautiful skating.

    I never thought I would be saying this, but the kind of heart on fire, determination and desire that Max Aaron showed cries out to be rewarded. Yes, and stuff the over-hype Sandra, and Scott, because Max doesn't need any of that. Like I said in an earlier post, from what I've seen at this Nationals, Max Aaron is the real personification of Honey Badger, and he will need to demonstrate that now on the Worlds stage. Max has never been a favorite skater of mine, and I wasn't overly impressed with his skating last year despite being charmed by his eyebrows and his personality. I've got to say though, as I saw Max sitting in the athletes' lounge holding a towel anxiously to his face as the final men completed their programs, I wanted to give Max a huge hug, just like Ross Miner did.

    Such a beautiful, beautiful skater is Jeremy with a seemingly sensitive spirit. Conversely he can be very goofy one minute and soulfully serious the next. I guess in some ways, similar to Matt Savoie, Jeremy is a skater out of his time. He's a well-rounded skater who can do all the jumps with sublime artistry but the extra pressure of the high intensity quads, along with his own over-thinking or self-doubt in important moments has combined to snatch defeat from victory on too many occasions. In the old days, with his well-rounded talent, Jeremy might have prevailed even on the international stage. That was when fs scoring was more about the whole package rather than the sum of its parts, and when top skaters' reputations anointed and cushioned them, and equally talented but reputation-less skaters were required to wait their turn It was when it was expected that there were only so many years to make one's mark which allowed younger skaters the opportunity to move up once veterans automatically moved on to the Ice Capades (if they had won enough medals and attention to land a decent contract).


    Max obviously seemed near tears during the press conference, but all of the guys handled themselves really well, especially Jeremy during what is surely an excruciatingly difficult time. But Jeremy knows the mistakes were his alone. Max keeps referencing the fact that he's trained with Patrick Chan who has been generous in helping explain to him what competition is about on the big stage. Now, however, Max needs to remember that Patrick will be one of his biggest competitors on that stage in March.

    If Ross hadn't popped his second triple axel, he might have won. Still Ross is consistency personified, and he has a similar desire, fire, and willingness to strategically go all out in mastering the quad because there are no longer any if ands or buts about needing to master them. Ross and Max are talented enough and focused enough to go to Worlds and skate their best, and the rest is out of their control. ISU judges are fickle and skating is political. The thing is to lay it all out there and let the chips fall where they may. That's how Ross won a bronze medal two years straight at NHK Trophy (and this past year in a loaded international field).

    It's about time to show the rest of the World that the U.S. guys have got the consistency, the jumps and the gumption to compete for the podium, especially since these days when it comes to figure skating, refined artistry simply isn't enough. And I don't want to hear anyone tell me that Brian Joubert, or Michal Brezina, or Florent Amodio, nor even Javier Fernandez are better presentation-wise than Max Aaron, because they aren't. Sure they have more Worlds experience and more name recognition, but that's where PR needs to come into the picture. Promote and politik for your team USFS, in a smart and productive way. Don't take anything for granted in terms of thinking ISU judges are going to automatically respect your skaters, just because you've stamped their tickets to Worlds.
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    I am sad Ross Miner didnt win. I would have much rather him won. So I am not happy about the result. I also think Max's PCS were way too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I am sad Ross Miner didnt win. I would have much rather him won. So I am not happy about the result. I also think Max's PCS were way too high.
    Yeah, I get you. I too love Ross so much. He let it slip out of his hands by popping that second 3-axel, which has been a money jump for him. At least Ross is going to Worlds and has a chance to skate great there. The U.S. title is still up for grabs next year in Ross' backyard.

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    Ross would have won with the 2nd 3axel....and I really wanted him to win. Regardless, he is going to worlds (I think? when will we know???)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art&Sport View Post
    And I don't want to hear anyone tell me that Brian Joubert, or Michal Brezina, or Florent Amodio, nor even Javier Fernandez are better presentation-wise than Max Aaron, because they aren't.
    Brian Joubert, Florent Amodio and Javier Fernandez are better "presentation-wise" than Max Aaron. Michal Brezina we can negotiate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art&Sport View Post
    Yeah, I get you. I too love Ross so much. He let it slip out of his hands by popping that second 3-axel, which has been a money jump for him. At least Ross is going to Worlds and has a chance to skate great there. The U.S. title is still up for grabs next year in Ross' backyard.
    Count me in the "Sad Ross didn't get the U.S. title" club. But I too am glad he did not get bronze for a third year and moved up a spot! And that would be amazing if he got his national title at home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    I thought Josh should have won bronze at least. His free skate was miles better than Jeremy's. But he looked so happy, so I'm happy for him.

    Sad that Jason didn't have a good skate, but no doubt he's happy to have improved his finishing position once again and is off bouncing and smiling somewhere.
    I think what happened re: Josh, was that Max skated lights out so early, got a huge score. I don't think they were expecting Ross to pop a 3a or Jeremy to make as many mistakes as he did. So then you're in the situation where Josh skates, and could easily be 2nd or 3rd, but after no one more seasoned beat Max, to put Josh in 2nd and have a Worlds team with 2 newbies is maybe too risky, so they issued him edge calls that could have been ignored (were ignored for others) and kept the PCS conservative, in the end this meant 4th place. I feel like he definitely deserved 3rd and a case could have been made for 2nd, but I do think Ross landing his quad and Josh falling on his made the difference, even though Josh landed 2 beautiful 3axels while Ross popped one and had smoother landings on his jumps compared to Ross. But this way, he's not in the discussion for the Worlds team but is in the mix for the 4CC team and on the radar to make it to Sochi next year so, really, I think it's a decent position for him to be in. And he still had quite an impressive score, and one that, for me, was actually reasonable and he'd be capable of replicating or coming close to matching at an international event, which I can't quite say for the others b/c I don't think Max or Ross will get that kinda PCS internationally and even Jeremy for a flawed mistake might have trouble accumulating such high PCS. But I do think that Max & Ross is actually a good World team b/c we've seen other skaters like Song, Brezina, Fernandez, etc. climb up the rankings quickly and improve their PCS, not originally a strong point for any of them, considerably just through consistently landing tough content at big events. I tend to think the same will be true for Max. If he lands the big tricks, he will do very well. It's more if he doesn't, he'll get hurt more than others might. But he's pretty consistent so I think there's not so much to worry about.

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