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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    Jason is 18 and just getting a triple axel? Amazing. Just getting a quad, maybe ok, but not a 3a.
    It's only a year later than Patrick Chan got his Triple Axel...Jason Brown coming along just fine to potentially peak in 2018. He has qualities that are the best in the World. His performance at 2011 Nationals is one of the best ever in terms of everything outside of the jumps (and the jumps themselves were fabulous too, even if Lutz was his most difficult jump). Perhaps you've not seen it? Definitely needs to be seen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94pHGvq3Fs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    Abbott needs to go work with Krall for awhile and he needs to get a good therapist. Sato has even said that fear is a factor in his quad problems. However, I fear he has used up his chances both at home and internationally. Even if the us is able to get three spots for the Olympics, a big "if", he will have a difficult time probably in making the Olympic team. The other men are not standing still waiting for him to get it together. His face is beginning to get covered with their dust.
    True. Jeremy is falling behind on a technical level and seems to be a bit of a head case: punching his forehead repeatedly with his fist right after he finished his program? the slow, lethargic, depressing tone of his program? pouting backstage in public like a sullen child instead of a 28 yr old international elite skater who should by now have learned the importance of good sportsmanship and accepting a bad skate with class and dignity like Michelle Kwan? I hope he can find a good therapist to help him with all his issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    Jason is 18 and just getting a triple axel? Amazing. Just getting a quad, maybe ok, but not a 3a.
    Huh?

    If he was twenty or something and only just getting it, I could see the problem, but nothing wrong with him landing a 3A at 18.

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    I woke up at 3am(!) to watch US Mens Free live thru J-Sports this morning. at 7am I got back to my bed until noon, did some household and here I am!

    Fisrtly, many many thanks and claps to all skaters from me for such an exciting competition!
    to Aaron's huuuge jumps!
    to Miner for not cracking under pressure. Clearly could have been the new champion if not popping the second 3A.
    Alexander Johnson!!! Who is he? How emotional he and his coach got after the performance was so priceless! Hope he will be picked up at SA next season.
    Keegan, Armin, Jeremy...I often feel for skaters with a depth of talents in their own countries; such as US, Russia and Japan. But if they can't bring their A-game and deliver it when counts, they can't do that at the Worlds/Olympics either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    It's only a year later than Patrick Chan got his Triple Axel...Jason Brown coming along just fine to potentially peak in 2018. He has qualities that are the best in the World. His performance at 2011 Nationals is one of the best ever in terms of everything outside of the jumps (and the jumps themselves were fabulous too, even if Lutz was his most difficult jump). Perhaps you've not seen it? Definitely needs to be seen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94pHGvq3Fs
    The judges have always seen that in him. That is how with 2 falls he still finished in 8th place. The triple axel is hard. Many of the older competitors in this field do not have one. Only a handful of skaters in the world can consistently do a triple axel. Fans have a skewed view as we spend so much time watching the super elite skaters who make it look so easy. Jason is so ready to join that group very soon. He has natural talent and a good head on his shoulder. I feel he is a competitor who will always look at the big picture and learn from mistakes with a positive outlook. There is a reason why there is a lot of excitement surrounding him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    It's only a year later than Patrick Chan got his Triple Axel...Jason Brown coming along just fine to potentially peak in 2018. He has qualities that are the best in the World. His performance at 2011 Nationals is one of the best ever in terms of everything outside of the jumps (and the jumps themselves were fabulous too, even if Lutz was his most difficult jump). Perhaps you've not seen it? Definitely needs to be seen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94pHGvq3Fs
    And Patrick Chan has never been all that steady with the 3axel..... As well as not to mention, Patrick was attempting the 3axel in competition at 16... Its kind of like a woman not having the 3lutz by a certain age, maybe it will happen but its hardly a good sign...
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    Well that was quite a Men's competition, lots of surprises for sure.

    Congrats to Max! He out-jumped everyone to the National title, but his actual skating lets just say maybe it will grow on me.

    I am happy for Ross he gave quite a performance to win the Silver!

    Tough break for Jeremy not making the World Team but that is Sport if you don't keep up you will be left behind in the dust.

    I was very impressed with Joshua F. I thought he was just super!

    I also enjoyed Alexander Johnson and Jason Brown's performances.

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    Thanks for highlighting Alex Johnson. Loved his performance, his carriage and expressiveness.

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    I'm really high on Jason Brown. I think he has alot of charisma, alot of talent, and watch out for him next year. He connects with the audience better than most and he seems to really, really enjoy being out there on the ice. Congratulations to a somewhat "changing of the guard" but I honestly don't think we have a chance in hell of placing a US man in the top 10 at Worlds this year. Max did out-jump everyone but the rest of his skating is really lacking. Even if he skates clean he's going to lose big points on presentation against the Japanese, Fernandes and maybe even Brian Joubert. Watching Ross Miner skate to me is like watching paint dry. There's just no "it" factor there although he definitely has talent. Jeremy. I said a few days ago that he needs to skate on the ice instead of in his head. SO much talent and ability and his biggest problem is between his ears. I don't know if a therapist and a different coach would really help him at this age. His program was beautiful, should have wiped everyone else off the board but doubling 2 triples (or was it 3?) that are normally quite easy for him - there's just no excuse. Not at this stage of his career. And does he even enjoy skating anymore or is it just "his job?" I really do wish Max and Ross luck at Worlds - just have some serious doubts to the outcome.

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    If you don't mind my asking, what does it mean to 'pull a Gachinski'?

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    Is Max Aaron landing two 4S a first at the US Nationals, or was Goebel (or someone else) able to achieve it?

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    Ross Miner's program isn't as charming and character driven as last years, but I really feel like he made a conscious effort to add more transitions and content and deserves credit for that. He does a lot of it on one foot which I find refreshing. It certainly looks good next to Max Aaron's skating in the corner and doing cross overs from element to element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ks777 View Post
    I tried to watch Max Aaron but couldn't finish watching it. It was so boring.... It was like watching the Canadian skater who look like Rachel Flatt.
    I couldn't finish either. Sorry you have to have more than the jumps. There are plenty of men who have quads on the international scene but don't make an impact because they don't have the whole package but I don't know if usfsa cares how they do on the international scene. I guess they are putting all their cards on Davis and White.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    Jason is 18 and just getting a triple axel? Amazing. Just getting a quad, maybe ok, but not a 3a.
    But his goal is 2018. That's 5 years away. If he was trying to make the Sochi team, I'd be like, yeah, with just getting the 3a at 18 and not trying the quad in competition yet, that is a little concerning. But he's not trying to go to Sochi and 5 years is an awful long time, so it doesn't really matter what his age is, more than he has the time to get his technical to where it needs to be by 2018, and he certainly does. Bear in mind how far skaters can come in just a few seasons, Javi, Michal, and Flo weren't churning out quads like they are now at 18, and there scores and placements at that age were nothing to write home about either, but now look where they are now just a few years later. Maybe Jason never will have the difficult tech down solid, but he very well could and there is no reason to worry about it NOW, come back in 3 or 4 years and then we can reevaluate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Huh?

    If he was twenty or something and only just getting it, I could see the problem, but nothing wrong with him landing a 3A at 18.
    Hey, Shawn Sawyer landed his first completely clean triple axel at.. 25?

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