01-28-2013, 06:09 PM
while it's not an excuse, I think we need to remember that Jeremy has been having back issues that weren't really sorted out until a month ago, and he stated all week that he wasn't truly competition ready ESPECIALLY for the long. He was quoted with saying "I just need to do enough to get through it and get to worlds."
He wasn't focused on winning b/c he knew that mistakes were likely but he was hoping to do enough to get to the next competition...and when Max ended up skated lights out in the long, and Ross Miner once again produced a relatively steady clean skate, Jeremy's shot getting into the top two was VERY small. Yes, Jeremy is a bit of a head-case in that he's never really been truly confident, and add in the element of being very aware that he was under-prepared for nationals, i thought Jeremy did "okay." Who knows what another week would have done...but at least he showed up and competed and wanted to win a spot to worlds the fair way and not via petition (cough Denny/Coughlin cough...) As for him not going to 4CC, i'd imagine he was advised against going...4CC is in Osaka, Japan this year. two 16+ hour flights will NOT help Jeremy's back injury...
- if only we could put Max Aaron's jump content right into Jeremy's program, that'd be a guaranteed medal winner at worlds...no joke. I still think it's impressive that Jeremy once again did his own choreography and did it to ONE piece of music. That program is better than some of the ones "top choreographers" have put out in the past few years. Jeremy has medalled (keep in mind natl's counts pewter) for the past 7 years at nationals and that's in and of itself something to be proud of...if it just doesnt' work out for him, he'd be quite the choreographer, he understands how to use music and TRULY skate to it.
- It was really nice to hear Ross say during the press conference that he's starting to realize he IS good enough to be competitive and it's no longer a fluke. His skating may seem safe and boring when you compare him to the top international guys, but you can't faulty him for his strong and easy skating as well as his consistency. He has solid technique (including the best 3A - when he hits, of course - in terms of height, distance, and air position of anyone really), good presentation, good skating skills, and enough confidence that he can keep himself in the conversation. And as he pointed out his GP schedule involved the two most competitive GPs this season, so he got a lot of experience even if he didn't get the results he wanted. And let's be honest, that popped 3A cost him the title, and i don't think any of us would be truly upset if the final standings had been Miner, Aaron, Abbott, right??? but whatever, it's still all the same in regards to who we're sending to worlds...
- yes Max Aaron is all about the jumps right now. BUT I think it would be wrong to say that's all he brings. He has speed, he has the right attitude, and his spins are fine (especially compared to other pure jumpers - Joubert, Bradley, Mroz, etc). He trains with Patrick Chan so he's also in an environment where he sees THE standard everyday and has something to work towards...he's not the best guy at the rink. In his interviews, esp the PC I got the feeling that he's got his head screwed on straight...he said something to the effect that he knows he's not competitive with the top guys artistically (i believe he was referencing Ross and Jeremy), but if he delivered on his technical score, esp the jumps (2 quads, one in combo and 7 triples...CRAZY), he could be on/near the podium. What he didn't count on was him skating a "perfect" LP and everyone else making mistakes. Max understands that figure skating in NOT only about the jumps, and he sounds like he's willing to work and learn to become better. And hey, let's be optimistic for a moment, maybe all he needs is a year...who knows
- so happy that Jason Brown had a relatively good competition. That's one more 3A he's landed...and the sky's the limit as long as he gets the jumps
- LOVE Josh Farris...goodness, if he continues to do what he does, Jason gets his jumps, and Max develops his artistry, the US will have quite a formidable trio next post-2014...also, hoping that Ross sticks around after Sochi, he'd have no reason to retire...so that's 4 guys that can get the job done
- Jonathan Cassar's spread eagles...he, by far, over anyone else, benefits from the choreographic step sequence. yes we can knock him on his lack of a competitive jump arsenal. but year in year out, he's back at nationals doing what he loves, performing and skating for fans who appreciate what he DOES DO on the ice. it is a pity he doesn't get more in PCS from the judges...but he made it onto the NBC broadcast
- safe to say, the US won't be getting that 3rd spot back...
ps - sorry this was sooooo long and ramble-y...i need to get all my thoughts out since my friend who i normally discuss Nat'ls with is out of the country...
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01-28-2013, 06:09 PM
Did Farris leave Tom after he broke his foot?
I agree with museksk8r and Fozzie Bear.
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01-28-2013, 06:41 PM
Overall i enjoyed watching the men's free alot more than the American women's. The men were so unique. All having different styles and there are such talented men i don't often get to see.I will be remembering Jonathan Cassar's spread eagle from outside to inside, and Jason Brown's spins. The US have a larger number of really talented men than Canada. Thanks for sharing Alexander Johnson Free, he moves so beautifully on the ice. Adam Rippon was wonderful to watch, very good skate for him. I do miss his blonde curls and classical program but he has such star quality on the ice. Joshua Farris will only get better and i would be surpised if he is not champion very soon. He is still a junior but shows such potential. Jeremy is one of the most artistic skaters, i love the details of his program. Iam sure he will give it one more try next year but i would certainly pay to see him in a skating show anytime. Ross Miner what i loved is he skates with so much joy and freedom. Did not look like he had pressure on him. I believe he had the most successful season this year. Max Aaron surprised me with his jumps, I didn't even know such a jumper existed in US men. What a great skate for him though i do think his PCS would be alot lower internationally.
01-28-2013, 07:02 PM
In fairness, it was his trouble with the triple axel that made them re-evaluate his plans. They were aiming for 2014 initially.
Originally Posted by silverlake22
Of course, and he got to go to the Olympics as well. Except Sawyer lucked out in that Canada had a shallow field but two solid skaters that could earn three spots for Worlds. The shallow field meant he was still able to get competitive experience and go to Worlds. Three spots meant he wasn't going to be dumped (and it's not like he made it every year either). The USA's field is so tough that a skater like Jeremy Abbott can't make it to Worlds consistently (whereas Canada's lesser equivalent - Emmanuel Sandhu - would), but shallow that they can't earn three spots consistently.
Originally Posted by blue_idealist
Let's be clear: I'm saying the judges manipulated Max Aaron's PCS to suit his extraordinary technical content, not his epic performance quality or interpretation or choreography or skating skills or transitions.
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
01-28-2013, 07:16 PM
Ross is a class act, both on and off the ice.
Originally Posted by Art&Sport
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01-28-2013, 07:23 PM
For what it's worth, Javier Fernandez landed THREE QUADS in his free skate (one in combo with a 3T!) this weekend at European's. He won the title. The USFSA knew they couldn't send Abbott to World's.
01-28-2013, 07:46 PM
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To me, Aaron's program popped and Miner's didn't. I don't know about ticking off CoP bullets on the PCS side, but Aaron's performance held my interest for four-and-a-half minutes.
Originally Posted by Fozzie Bear
I am not worried about Worlds. Go, skate, what happens happens.
01-28-2013, 08:06 PM
Exactly and while I think he should have placed ahead of Jeremy at least in the FS, placing him 2nd or 3rd overall would make it harder to justify his JW selection, which he said he wanted anyways and the USFS wisely would want him there as well, considering how good he is and how few other strong guys there are age eligible for that event, so in the end, I think it was okay. Josh was thrilled with his scores and overall placement so I don't think he feels robbed. I think if he had stood up on the quad, they would have had to give 2nd to him, but where he fell, there was a bit more wiggle room. He also got level 3 on one of his spins and level 2 on the footwork, plus the two flip edge calls (odd how he didn't get it in the SP, also up to this point he's done two 3lz in his FS instead of 2 3f but maybe he was having lutz trouble and switched it or something), so the little things did add up. The one promising thing though is I thought of all the top 6 or so, Josh's FS scores were the ones most likely to be close to replicated with a similar skate internationally. Miner and Aaron will not get the PCS they got at Nationals internationally, but Josh's 78+ components score didn't seem that inflated, he's gotten over 71 before at a international junior event, and that TES was really strong even with the 4t fall, edge calls, and missing two levels. So that's really promising.
Originally Posted by museksk8r
He reminds me a little bit of Michal Brezina during his first senior season. Next season I'd like to see him work with a more known choreographer and maybe try a new type of music for one of his programs to see if he has it in him to become a little less white bread. Michal seems to be getting back on track but I feel what held him back a few years ago and led to all those 4th place finishes was his image as being a bit bland, you know, the slight and nice looking teenager with beautiful jumps, well-rounded skating, and a great 3a, but doesn't stand out that much otherwise. I feel like that's sort of what Josh is to most people now, but given his age and ascent, I think he can be a lot more, it just needs to be harnessed.
I also think Max may have some untapped artistic potential, and if he were to be freed from Tom Z and get some voidy choreo, who knows, he could be more than Max killer jumps Aaron.
01-28-2013, 08:15 PM