At this point she has improved the technique of three jumps that is flip, toeloop and salchow. In case of her flip, she doesn't terribly bent her upper-body forward anymore and she's gotten rid of her mule kick. She lifts her leg considerably below the old level and now this aspect is actually perfect. Her edge used to change from very deep inside to very deep outside and then to very deep inside again the moment she took off. This aspect has improved as well. The problem is that by the time she gets to take off of her flip she has not enough speed and consequently she underrotates or pops the jump every now and then. As I've written in my analysis she does just two crossovers as she approeches the second flip combination and a few turns on one foot and it leaves her with lack of speed. I am surprised that Tarasova designed those flips' setups in such a way. Of course it's great that Mao has those transitions contrarily to Kostner/Kim/Suzuki but she doesn't have enough time to gain speed with just two crossovers. The other skaters usually do 5 or 6 crosses skating beside the edge of the rink and then go straight through the whole rink doing nothing until they reach the opposite side of the rink and hit the jump. Therefore, Mao is currently working on her speed during the take-off and again it's a process that requires time. She has fixed her technique but now she needs to develop speed.
The triple toeloop in her 2A+3T combination has never been so huge and has never covered as much distance as now and she is definitely on her way to develop good consistency with this jump.
She has also changed her habit of two-footed Salchow take-off and now she does a standard one with a three-turn. This change has clearly resulted in an increase in consistency.
I'm afraid she will never get rid of her flutzing but consistency on this jump has been improving slowly but surely as well. Tarasova has added a difficult exit to the jump what helps minimise the negative GOE Mao would normally get.
By and large, I belive that by Sochi Mao will be an OMG condender. It looks like Sochi will be a showdown of old experienced veterens - Mao, Yu-Na and Carolina and probably the last chance to admire those skaters.
Hey I am all for constructive criticism, but when you declare that an skater who won this season is atrocious .....
By the way the people who say she should not win cant not say who else should have won instead.
Example GF who was better than Mao.
But this amimosity towards Mao, you hear from commentators who compare Mao against another skater.
she does not clean more than half of her triple jumps in this season. (3lo 8/9 3lz 0/3 3f 4/9 3s 1/3 3t 1/3)
So she hear "her jumps are not good" rather than "just the rarely mistake"
however, her winning in this season, it was not overwhelming or mao on her class, but her winning was rightful.
by the way, i love her program, swan lake.
Last edited by venlac; 02-07-2013 at 11:03 AM.
Abusing the second mark has always been what Skating Judging was all about, and TES/PCS is not much different than Technical Merit/Presentation in that regard.
People think skating is a joke these days because they simply changed the system for the sake of change, and the real issues didn't really get solved.
Whether Sarah did double loops was inconsequential since even the first jumps were often UR'd or took off the wrong edge - her 3Lz-2Lp combo in the SP for example. In any case, if Kwan had been dinged for her UR 3Flip in SLC Slutskaya would have won the SP (as she should have) and ultimately the Gold Medal. Under IJS they would have killed her (Hugues), literally, on the TES front. She would have gotten quite a few "Mirai Moments" with the scoring due to her inability to take off or land her jumps properly. Like Michelle, however, she was quite gifted at making those landings look flawless. Props to her (and Robin Wagner) for that.
Back to the sorta off-topic discussion that was going on... Does anyone else find it odd how Asada carries such little flow out of her jumps? Even when she was doing triple axels they barely moved on the landing. It looks like she sometimes lands on the flats of her blade, which may have something to do with it. She's certainly gifted at getting a vertical and straight (as a pencil) air position, but I think her flag landing is what has caused her to become so accustomed to URing her jumps. I don't like the lack of flow she usually gets coming out of them, either. That's a bulletpoint for getting GOE on a jump as well.
Last edited by SkateNater; 02-07-2013 at 11:07 AM.
How did Kostner vs. Russian teenagers become Mao vs. Kim, with a side light on Dick, Peggy, Sarah & Michelle?
Does anyone have any on-topic comments?
There is already a Mao vs. Kim thread....
2. Butyrskaya or Kwan (Maria beat Michelle in the SP at the GP final when both were clean and essentialy the same performances as SLC, with Kwan one iffy but acceptable jump, and Maria a bit iffy and slow just like SLC)
4. Cohen (would have deserved 2nd in the SP but been put 4th based on lack of rep)
7. Hughes (never gets 4th with that lame performance anywhere else)
8. Robinson (maybe even 7th over Hughes)
While the LPs would probably have been:
2. Hughes (probably deserved to win LP, but not skating in final group would have never happened)
3. Suguri or Kwan
6. Butyrskaya (although she probably skates better LP had she done better in SP)
Final overall standings:
6- Butyrskaya (although as I said who knows how she skates LP had she done better in SP)
Well, I'm not at all sure what the thread is about at this point.
You guys seem to be rehashing Salt Lake Olympics and whether Kim or Mao have any jump flaws.
There is nothing wrong with those topics
Just start a thread for them on their own.
I am very by this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B625Ey2bwVc (pause at 5:53 where it clearly goes on an inside edge before her skate leaves the ice.
As for Mao's GPF win. There was nothing remarkable about the win, but it was deserved. The PCS was too high considering the mistakes she made, but even if the PCS were reduced she still would have won, so it doesn't affect the outcome. Obviously at NHK it's more of an issue because the results might have been different (and really, should have been).