Bona Fide Member
Best Ladies jumper(s)
Who do you think is the best ladies jumper competing at the moment and who have been the best jumpers in history in your opinion and why?
I think that, at the moment, for me the ranking is:
1) Courtney Hicks=Elizaveta Tuktamysheva : now Courtney has improved the edge of her lutz and she has HUGE jumps, their height always strikes me, she has all the triples and she has also attempted a 4S, but Liza has a better technique in lutz and loop even if her flip is not as good as Courteny's, for me almost a lip.
2) Elena Radionova: she has all the triples, including the 3-3s 3Lo+3T, 3Lz+3T and 3F+1Lo+3S, even if the height of her jumps is not as good as Liza's or courtney's for me.
3) Gracie Gold: her jumps are as good as the others', but she has a lip and what she needs is consistency (one example: she landed her 3F+3T just two times, SD and CoR, out of five attempts: SD, US International Classics, SC, CoR and Nationals)
4) Agnes Zawadzki: she doesn't have the loop at the moment but she is able to do it (she landed it with a -0.5 GOE at the 2011 WJC SP), but what strikes me is the height of her 3T+3T and 3Lz, that's jumping!)
I don't now if Yu-Na deserves to be here: she doesn't have the loop (the last time that she actually landed it cleanily in competition was 2007) and her height is not as incredible as the others', but a 5th place for her should be correct.
The best jumpers in history:
1) Midori Ito: no doubts, she's still unmatched!
2) Miki Ando, I think: 4S, 3Lz+3Lo, 3F+3Lo, 3T+3T, she had all the most difficult jumps and combos and the consistency of her 3Lz in the late years was amazing
3) Mao Asada: everything she has accomplished puts Mao here, I think: her 3As' consistency has been beautiful, but she has a lot of problems with "e" and UR jumps
4) Tonya Harding: unfortunately, she didn't have consistency, but when she landed her jumps they were superbe!
What do you think?
1) Yu-na Kim:Ability to add 3T to 3Lz, 3F, and 2A without having "e" problems. She is also very consistent
2) Elizaveta Tuktamysheva:Liza's jumps have an amazing quality. If she can jump higher, she'll be one of the best jumpers.
3) Gracie Gold:She is a powerful jumper, although she is not "graceful". She also has "e" problems with her flip, and she makes mistakes with other jumps if she makes a mistake with her flip(for ex:her SP at US Nationals). She isn't consistent with her Lo. Otherwise, she is a wonderful jumper with a bright future.
4) Elena Radionova:She can jump difficult jumps. Although she sometimes have to face with lip problems, I think she can fix it. I'm not sure if she'll be more or less powerful by the time she's a senior. However, she is consistent and if she becomes a powerful jumper like Gracie, she'll be amazing!
5) Agnes Zawadzki:She has wonderful 3Lz and has 3T+3T. She may not be consistent with her FS but I think she has one of the best 3Lz!
Six Point Zero
What's the criteria? Height? Speed? Flow? Variety of jumps and combos? Difficulty? Consistency? etc.
When they are on, the best ladies jumpers are: Gold, Tuktamysheva, Radionova, Lipnitskaia (for difficulty and consistency, not quality), and Kim (to discount her on her loop is rather unfair, as she can do them, but chooses not to as they hurt her). Right now, I'd actually say Kim and Gold have the best quality jumps.
Serafima Sakhamovich has yet to show consistency but when she skates her best (which she has) has the hardest jump layout (other than maybe Radionova).
Arakawa and Slutskaya are also skaters in the past who are excellent jumpers when they're on. Kostner was also a fantastic jumper a few years ago. And of course Mao at her peak (2006-ish) was brilliant with her 3-3 and 3A (but flutzed, too, and doesn't get much flow out of her jumps). Ando was also an excellent jumper at her peak.
Though she sorely lacked in other categories I thought Sebestyen was one of the highest jumpers out there. Harding was great too, with a huge triple lutz.
Kwan's jumps were good, but not excellent, but her consistency was very good. As was Yamaguchi's (who is arguably a better jumper than Kwan).
Bonaly's jumps had great spring and power, but terrible entries.
Of course, Ito will be regarded as the best jumper of all time. Not even Mao could match her jumping prowess. I love how she fully rotates her jumps by getting massive height. There is absolutely no question with her.
Midori Ito travelled to Junior Worlds in Kitchener as an official of the Japanese Federation. We often saw her with in the hallways with her young charges, and I was astonished at what a tiny woman she is. On the ice she seemed larger than life, and her jumps just exploded off the ice. It didn't seem possible that so much strength and power could reside in such a small frame.
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
I know! She did more triples than the guys at Junior Worlds!
And of course, this is insane (yes, there's the wrap, but there's no denying the clean landings). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sns1G0OdtBo
Surya Bonaly - high but a bit dirty in landings
Miki Ando, Irina Slutskaya, Mao Asada - though not anymore
Elizaveta Tukatamysheva - high and clean jumps and very nice technique, lutz to die for
Gracie Gold - the most effortless jumps, she just powers through no preparation needed
Yuna Kim - very good jumps in the air
Agnes Zawadzki - huge spring on her jumps but the landing them is a different story, lol
Adelina Sotnikova - huge jumps but bad technique, flutzer, terrible flip technique etc.
potential good jumpers:
Courtney Hicks - high but dirty jumps
Serafima Sakhanovich - huge jumps but needs to fix bent knees
Elena Radionova - huge jumps minus her Flip
Last edited by sky_fly20; 01-31-2013 at 11:02 AM.
I was thinking that too! Arguably even better than any of Yu Na's! I love how she legitimately rotates her jumps over and across the ice.
Originally Posted by skatel80
1. Midori Ito
Originally Posted by FSGMT
2. Yu Na Kim
The rest are far behind.
Agree to disagree. I think that Gold jumps better than all of the Russian girls and Kim--her 3-3 at Nationals covered more ice than I thought physically possible. Ito, of course, surpasses them all.
Originally Posted by jenaj
When Gracie jumps a difficult 3-3 as beautifully and consistently as Yu Na has since she first came on the scene around six years ago, then I will agree with you.
Originally Posted by ForeverFish
When Yuna consistenly jumps 3loop, then I will agree with you.
Originally Posted by jenaj
Otherwise, she's just good 3lutz and 3toe jumper.
Her flip isn't consistent, by the way.
Her sal isn't that good.
We're talking overall best jumpers here.
Six Point Zero
She was near 100% with the flip before the olympic season. Then it dropped to 50/50. This year, though, she's 100%, more than even her lutz or salchow.
Originally Posted by FlattFan
Consistency should be adjusted for frequency when evaluating best jumper. Yuna has landed the greatest number of ISU ratified 3/3s among the ladies, particularly difficult ones in major competitions. That counts for something. She's not "just a great 3Lutz or toe jumper."
Obviously it was directly toward jenaj whose logic was this, Gracie didn't do 3lutz-3toe consistently for 6 years.
Originally Posted by Krislite
Well, Kim didn't do loop for 6 years or whatever. Kim wasn't consistent with a few other jumps for a few years.
Kim is obviously one of the best jumpers, but so are others. They might not be that consistent, but they are great jumpers. Miss Harding is a great jumper, but boys, she liked cigs and booze more than she liked to jump lutz, ok? Does that make her any less than a great jumper?
Just look at their perfectly excecuted jumps, and see if they are a good jumper or not. After all, how do you decide what's consistent? 80%? 70%? Someone who only skated for 2 years? Someone who skated 10 years? Someone who still can jump years after they retire like Arakawa?
Compare them at their best. Not 6 years average or 10 times average.