wow,seems very good. I think she got it.
If she would get 3a, (even if that is not fully rotation)
She will be strongest in ladies, even though the another jumps are all downgrade
i think she get good benefits of the changed rule
I don't agree with the rule of the 70% reward of jumps that are not fully rotated .if they can't rotate the jumps, don't get credit. If they want to make a change, then make a change in the value of the jumps.
They already tried this though and it has already improved a lot, but this 70% rule I don't like at all.
If they cannot do clean jumps, then don't even try them.
this season, her jumps were almost the not fully rotation
If you do not agree, then refute, or can ignore
Last edited by venlac; 02-07-2013 at 07:32 AM.
I saw one of her 3As(for 4CC practice) and all I know is that it would get either < or even << mark. I don't think she should jump 3A if she can't get it fully rotated and consistent at practice. It's still nice that she's going for difficult jumps, but still...
Wow the first one looked clean, might get < but either way Go Mao!
And BTW the 70% rotation rule is one of the best passed by the isu in recent years, It has had a great effect for skaters, before people were afraid to to attempt a difficult element as if they were even slightly over a quarter turn short it was downgraded and there was too much of a risk whether it was a senior man trying his first quad or an intermediate lady trying her first double axel in competition, now a good attempt at least gets more credit than a jump with one less rotation, a sport in which people are afraid to try more difficult elements will never advance...just look at the amount of quads we are now seeing from men and the 3/3s from ladies, there is a big improvement from 2010 (last season without 70%)
sorry for rambling...bck on topic I think mao should go for it in 4cc and shut her critics up
All the skaters so many jump 3lo and 2lo.
3lo became even similar points with 3f and 2lo points same with 2f
flip and loop, a similar difficulty jumping is that?
sorry, I do not know that.
It does not about Mao and Yuna,
In point of fact, Basis points should be depending on the difficulty of the jump,
and 3f is much more difficult jump than 3lo!
and tomas verner said
"I love the change about the last step sequence in the free skate. You can do whatever you want. You still need to do steps to showcase your edges and show that you have the ability to do rockers, counters, twizzles etc. and then the judges have a chance to give you GOE credit. I like this very much.
I don't agree with the rule of the 70% reward of jumps that are not fully rotated . You don't rotate the jumps, you don't get credit. It's done, that's it. If you want to make a change, then make a change in the value of the jumps. They already tried this though and it has already improved a lot, but this 70% rule I don't like at all.
If you cannot do clean jumps, then don't even try them.Then there is the change that you have to do only one footwork sequence in the short. I love this change."
I completely agree with him.
Last edited by venlac; 02-07-2013 at 11:16 AM.
Loop combos... sigh, those just really have a hard time to be called rotated.
But 4CC is a really good occasion to test the water. I hope Mao hits the 3A and 3-3 well!!
jump's value point is continue to change.
2002 ~ 2004 ~ 2008 ~ 2010 ~
3A 7.5 → 7.5 → 8.2 → 8.5 (<6.0)
3Lz 6.1 → 6.0 → 6.0 → 6.0 (<4.2)
3S 4.8 → 4.5 → 4.5 → 4.2 (<2.9)
3Lo 5.3 → 5.0 → 5.0 → 5.1 (<3.6)
3F 5.6 → 5.5 → 5.5 → 5.3 (<3.7)
3T 4.5 → 4.0 → 4.0 → 4.1 (<2.9)
example, ~09'10 value point of 3a2t was lower than 3lz3t
and after olympics, japanese federation had protested, and it has changed.
i think you hope follow the rule that experts made,
in 09/10, if i claim "'3a2t' is easier jump than '3lz3t' because of the rule that made by experts know far more than i do" you can admit it?
and i doubt, you really think it is similar difficulty, loop and flip?
Last edited by venlac; 02-09-2013 at 01:15 PM.
Here's a link that was posted in the 4cc practice reports thread by hurrah.
At 0:28 you can see the same two 3axels by Mao but without this white thing at the bottom so they're more visible. After 3As the video also shows Mao's 3F-3L.
From what I can see: the first 3A WAS fully rotated, the second one might have been either rotated or URed but definitely wouldn't have been downgraded. However, her 3F-3L is not looking good. In her first combination the flip is not shown well so I don't know about this jump but the 3L is underrotated. In the second combination the 3F would probably be underrotated and the loop definitely downgraded. I thought Mao would go for the 3F-3T. Her 3T after 2A was looking huuuge at some practises and I believe at one of her competitions. Plus, 3L now will almost always get an underrotation call. And the most important - she's already doing two 3L in her free program and her solo jump in SP is 3L, so there's no sense in practising this combination. Ah, I got confused