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    Here's the Finnstep

    Anstasia Cannuscio tweeted this, with the comment "I'm scared!"

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCRsK-_CYAA3X69.jpg:large

    In compulsory patterns, are the dancers expected to hit every one of these turns and edges in perfect precision and right to the beat?

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    That's the goal; but actually, the most important parts of the Finnstep will be the key points, which involve hitting the designated parts of the patterns.

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    I did some minor research into the Finnstep, since I had no idea of what it was.

    The Finnstep is a quickstep dance. It got it's name from its inventors, Susanna Rahkamo and Petri Kokko. Now, there's a blast from the past! They debuted this dance as their Original Dance at the 1995 European Championships. It was later adapted to a Compulsary Dance. Of course, now it's being included as part of the Short Dance in the Olympic year.

    It was last skated as a complusary dance in 2009. Here's a video of it, performed by Pechalat and Bourzat at the 2009 European Championships.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br7DzHQAK7k

    It looks difficult, and even more so when considering how the spirit of the dance must be maintained. I predict some "WOW" Short Dances next year.

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    How great that Rahkamo and Kokko have gained ice dancing immortality. I loved them as a team. I hope all the skaters can rise to the occasion and conquer their fears on this one. Too bad we can't have Rahkomo and Kokko show up to skate a demonstration of it.

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    I hope that no one suffers the fate of Rubleva & Shefer RUS while dancing the Finnstep. It's a very bouncy dance. One of the straps important for keepin her costume on broke, and thus was a Youtube sensation born, poor things. They were very good sports about it.

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    Well, I had to look that up on YouTube! I thought she handled the situation with poise and grace. I liked her wry smile in the K&C, very charming!

    They were quite elegant, all things considered. He is certainly rocking the mullet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    How great that Rahkamo and Kokko have gained ice dancing immortality. I loved them as a team. I hope all the skaters can rise to the occasion and conquer their fears on this one. Too bad we can't have Rahkomo and Kokko show up to skate a demonstration of it.
    Oh, I did, too! They were crowd-pleasers. How nice that they finally won the Europeans and two WC Medals, especially back in the day when Ice Dancing placements simply did not shift.

    Even more pleasing was that they did not come from a traditional skating powerhouse. Nowadays we see champions from places like Spain and Korea, but it was a rarity back then. Think what they accomplished with very little federation help (I assume).

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    Finnstep is a fantastic compulsory dance. It's very difficult but not in a "pointlessly difficult Midnight Blues way". The way steps go together actually makes sense and it's light, breezy and bouncy if performed well.

    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK View Post
    Think what they accomplished with very little federation help (I assume).
    I am not sure but I would guess that they had quite substantial help from their federation given Finland is very rich country with big social spending.

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    Now that is a compulsory dance. Wow, certainly one of the hardest I've ever seen. But the great thing about it is that it actually looks like a fun, quickstep dance instead of a compulsory routine with technical turns. Here's Virtue/Moir doing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWHgSYl7pvk

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    The Finnstep is based on this awesome OSP . Here is what Petri Kokko had to say about it in 2008:
    "When you think of this dance, I'd like you to think of sparkling champagne and crystal clarity," Kokko told the assembled press. "The steps themselves aren't very difficult, but the timing is crucial. It's hard to do it properly. For example, the footwork is fast and precise, but all the movement is coming from the knees while the upper body remains stiff. The holds have to be strictly maintained throughout the entire dance . . . its very ballroom."
    Sadly, it was only used twice, at 2009 Euros and 4CCs. If we've been deprived of the Finnstep as a CD, at least it'll make a comeback as an SD pattern... it'll only be about a million times better than the YP.

    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK View Post
    I did some minor research into the Finnstep, since I had no idea of what it was.

    The Finnstep is a quickstep dance. It got it's name from its inventors, Susanna Rahkamo and Petri Kokko. Now, there's a blast from the past! They debuted this dance as their Original Dance at the 1995 European Championships. It was later adapted to a Compulsary Dance. Of course, now it's being included as part of the Short Dance in the Olympic year.

    It was last skated as a complusary dance in 2009. Here's a video of it, performed by Pechalat and Bourzat at the 2009 European Championships.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br7DzHQAK7k

    It looks difficult, and even more so when considering how the spirit of the dance must be maintained. I predict some "WOW" Short Dances next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    The Finnstep is based on this awesome OSP . Here is what Petri Kokko had to say about it in 2008:

    Sadly, it was only used twice, at 2009 Euros and 4CCs. If we've been deprived of the Finnstep as a CD, at least it'll make a comeback as an SD pattern... it'll only be about a million times better than the YP.
    This was the time when I adored the ice dance! Where is twizzle? Thanks God there is no...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Anstasia Cannuscio twweted this, with the comment "I'm scared!"

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCRsK-_CYAA3X69.jpg:large
    Update from Anastasia Cannuscio ‏@StasiaRose :
    Dreamt about the Finnstep last night... Apparently, I can't even get the timing right in my dreams. #DancerProbs #Day3
    5:42 AM - 7 Feb 13

    For the ice dancers whose season ended at Nationals, I guess the good news is that they are getting a head start on next season's SD ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Anstasia Cannuscio twweted this, with the comment "I'm scared!"

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCRsK-_CYAA3X69.jpg:large

    In compulsory patterns, are the dancers expected to hit every one of these turns and edges in perfect precision and right to the beat?
    In a word "yes", but that is the case for every set pattern dance from the simple "Dutch Waltz" (first basic dance every skater must learn) to the more complicated such as the above "Finnstep." Thank goodness I missed this one. If you listen to Tracy Wilson's commentary on Ice Dance she points out that Ice Dancers are conditioned to do difficult steps and precise edges. In fact, they live for challenging dances like this. Think of the set pattern dance as the figures of ice dancers. They are to ice dancers what figures mean to single skaters. If ice dancers can master these steps and remember these steps and patterns when they are training then it prepares them for their short and long programs if they choose to compete on that level. Even Kurt Browning said during his coverage of 4 continents ice dance that single skaters from his day could likely not master the difficult twizzle move on done in both directions by the ice dancers of today. That saying a lot!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK View Post
    How do they determine the level that a dance pair earns on the CD sequences?

    Theoretically, they're all doing the same sequence, right? So, what's the difference between a level 2 and a level 3, for example?
    From the Handbook for the Tech Panel, page 14

    Each pattern dance sequence (called "element" here) has three key points assigned.

    For level 1, no key points are judged correctly completed but:
    75% of Pattern Dance Element is completed by both partners
    For level 2:

    Pattern Dance Element is not interrupted more than 4 beats in total, either through Stumbles, Falls or any other reason
    AND
    1 Key Point is correctly executed
    For level 3
    Pattern Dance Element is not interrupted more than 4 beats in total, either through Stumbles, Falls or any other reason
    AND
    2 Key Points are correctly executed
    For level 4
    Pattern Dance Element is not interrupted at all, either through Stumbles, Falls or any other reason
    AND
    3 Key Points are correctly executed
    To get credit for a key point, the step(s) involved must be executed exactly as described in the rules. If this is true, you will see a Y for that key point on the protocol. If not executed correctly, you will see an N for that key point

    If the step is done correctly, but not on the correct beat of the music, the key point is not completed for the purpose of assigning a level, and you will see a T (for timing fault) for that key point.

    Note from the rules, even if the key points are judged correctly completed, including being on the correct beat of the music, the team will not earn a level 4 unless all the other steps are done.

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