2013 4CC Men-Short Program

[deedee1]

Starting Order:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/fc2013/SEG001.HTM

Best of luck to everyone!

1 Brendan KERRY AUS

2 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN

3 Min-Seok KIM KOR

4 David KRANJEC AUS

5 Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI

Warm-Up Group 2
6 Elladj BALDE CAN

7 Christopher CALUZA PHI

8 Jin Seo KIM KOR

9 June Hyoung LEE KOR

10 Jordan JU TPE

11 Yi WANG CHN

Warm-Up Group 3
12 Ross MINER USA

13 Abzal RAKIMGALIEV KAZ

14 Richard DORNBUSH USA

15 Max AARON USA

16 Nan SONG CHN

17 Takahito MURA JPN

Warm-Up Group 4
18 Denis TEN KAZ

19 Han YAN CHN

20 Misha GE UZB

21 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN

22 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN

23 Yuzuru HANYU JPN

[seniorita]

Misha Ge in the last group?

[Ziggy]

Misha Ge in the last group?

Why is that surprising?

[seniorita]

Is the draw like in Euros, skaters between first two groups and then the last two? I guess I didnt know his Isu standing.

[dorispulaski]

Is the draw like in Euros, skaters between first two groups and then the last two? I guess I didnt know his Isu standing.

ETA, I'm talking about dance because there are fewer teams, and I still can't make sense of it. How can I make sense of the men???????

It may be even more random at 4CCs. It's hard to fathom with 13 teams competing, how in dance, Yu&Wang, who haven't reached the minimum TES in either the SD or FD, skate AFTER Virtue & Moir Yu&Wang should certainly be in the first group, with the 3 teams that have no ISU standings points. O'Brien & Merriman, who actually made it out of the SD at Worlds last year, should be in the 2nd group.

But I thought it was supposed to be like Euros ??

More research. It still doesn't make sense, from either a season's standings, or ISU standings point of view:

Davis & White 7th (over 3 years 1st)
Virtue & Moir 8th (2nd)
Gilles & Poirier 15th (52nd)
Chock & Bates 20th (25th)
Reed & Reed 22nd (19th)
Shibutani & Shibutani 25th (8th)
Nagornyak & Kovalenko 32nd (48th)
Orford & Williams 33rd (33rd)
O'Brien & Merriman 47th (43rd)
Yu & Wang 48th (23rd)

No Rank given for the following three teams, which got their TES qualifying scores at Senior B's.
Moreno & Moreno MEX
Hirai & De La Asuncion JPN
Oi & Mizutani JPN

So if you use season's standings, Yu & Wang should be in the first group, and if you use the 3 years' standings, Gilles & Poirier should be in the first group.

Even more

[Ziggy]

Is the draw like in Euros, skaters between first two groups and then the last two? I guess I didnt know his Isu standing.

Yes.

Lowest ranked skaters are drawn in the first and second group.

Higher ranked skaters are drawn in the third and fourth group.

It's quite silly, IMO. Just have lowest ranked in the first, higher ranked in the second, even higher ranked in the third and highest ranked in the fourth to avoid situations like V/M skating in the penultimate group. They should do the draws the same way they do it at the Grand Prix Series.

They were quite lucky with how the Men SP draw turned out with Takahashi and Hanyu skating at the end.

As far as Ge in concerned, he was top 10 at 4CC last season and won two silver medals at international competitions. This season he won a silver and a gold medal at international competitions. Hence his decent ISU ranking.

[AlexRus]

Is the draw like in Euros, skaters between first two groups and then the last two? I guess I didnt know his Isu standing.

The draw at all ISU championships is the same.
1. No rating.
2. Lower rating.
3. Higher rating (two last warm-ups).

If there are more than 4 warm-ups, there is one more group between 2 and 3 - higher but not two last warm-ups.

Misha Ge has not so low rating, he is 33rd (because of Senior Bs). Higher him are many europeans, 6 Japanese skaters (only 3 of them are at 4CC) etc.
So he is in Top12 (of 23 total) at 4CC.

[dorispulaski]

Alex Rus, What is the guideline between "lower rating" and "higher rating" for those 2 draws?
Do they use the World rankings.

Would dance work this way?
13 teams, 3 unrated.

It looks to me like the unrated teams were in one draw, and the other 10 teams, who had ratings, drew as a group.

Is that how it works?

[seniorita]

I think Yuna will skate among the first 15 skaters at worlds. If they do it like euros.

[AlexRus]

Alex Rus, What is the guideline between "lower rating" and "higher rating" for those 2 draws?
Do they use the World rankings.

Would dance work this way?
13 teams, 3 unrated.

It looks to me like the unrated teams were in one draw, and the other 10 teams, who had ratings, drew as a group.

Is that how it works?

Rule 579 SPECIAL REGULATIONS & TECHNICAL RULES

the Skaters will be divided into two approximately equal parts with the higher ranked Competitors being drawn in the second part (thereafter called the part “skating later”) and the lower ranked Competitors and Competitors with no ranking being drawn in the first part (thereafter called the part “skating earlier”)

Rule is complicated enough, citation is only about 2 draws.

We see at 4CC:
1st group - three without rating.
2nd group - three with places 38-52 in World Standing.
3rd group - seven with places 1-33,

Because of lack of competitors, "the best form two last warm-ups" is impossible.

6 “skating earlier” (3 with no rating skate first, 3 with low rating skate after them) and 7 "skating later" (it is according to the rules - if the number of Skaters cannot be divided equally by two, the part “skating later” will include one Skater/Pair more than the part “skating earlier”).

[dorispulaski]

Thanks, very informative, but very strange rule. The ISU should think about this again.

[AlexRus]

Thanks, very informative, but very strange rule. The ISU should think about this again.

It works good if 30 competitors (singles), i.e. 5 warm-ups. It was so always at Worlds and Euro after qualification.
Some skaters of no rating (in fact they all are of not so high level, higher level earn rating at Senior Bs or JGP Events).
After them - skaters with low rating.
3rd warm-up (second half) - better skaters before best.
Two last warm-ups - best skaters.

If number of skaters is significally lower - results are strange.

[Butterscotch17]

Go Max Aaron, Ross Miner, and Elladj Balde! And especially Daisuke Takahashi!!! Good luck to all the guys, can't wait for the competition to start!

[merrywidow]

Keeping my fingers crossed for the 3 American men. Land those quads & triple axles!

[blue_idealist]

Anyone know what time it is in EST?