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    Oh, and not necessarily a good thing either. Vera are you too busy with Evan to help out??

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatel80 View Post
    Im another in support of Martinez!! That performance was my favourite of the event, a nice 3a and those spins were really something, that biellmann position was so extended! and he is actually from the phillipines!
    He started skating very late and was initially coached by his mother, I think. He still trains most of the year in the Philippines where he doesn't have access to high level coaches and where I imagine the conditions are far from optimal.

    So it's absolutely incredible he's managed to achieve so much already!

    It would be amazing, if he managed to secure funding to train in the US full-time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    Moonlight should have been saved for another year. It's too late in the year to be changing to another SP Even Dai's spins were lacking. In the last one, he travelled badly. He was gifted to be as high up as he is.
    I think his standing was alright, but I kind of agree about it being too late to change SPs, I wonder what the thinking was. Instead of focusing on Worlds he's going to be spending quite a bit of time working on the program, plus even if he improves on this performance (as I expect him to) he's not going to have as much mileage on it as Patrick and Yuzuru are going to have on their SPs. Hopefully everything works out in the end.

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    That program doesn't really need mileage, though. ;P

    I really hope that if YAN Han placed above SONG Nan, he ends up getting sent to both Junior and Senior Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    That program doesn't really need mileage, though. ;P

    I really hope that if YAN Han placed above SONG Nan, he ends up getting sent to both Junior and Senior Worlds.
    wouldn't that be too much of a burn out ?
    even Maxim is not doing both Jr. and Sr. Worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    He started skating very late and was initially coached by his mother, I think. He still trains most of the year in the Philippines where he doesn't have access to high level coaches and where I imagine the conditions are far from optimal.

    So it's absolutely incredible he's managed to achieve so much already!

    It would be amazing, if he managed to secure funding to train in the US full-time.
    doesnt he train most of his time in the US already ? with Ilia Kulik

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    Some skaters handled that well (doing both Junior and Senior Worlds) in the past. I guess it all depends on whether him and his coaches feel he is up for it.

    Looking through the protocols now and some of the scores for Takahashi were quite generous. That 4toe should have been a clear -3 (no steps, step out, hand down), for example.

    Rogozine got really shafted skating so early, both on the GOE and the PCS. :(

    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    doesnt he train most of his time in the US already ? with Ilia Kulik
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00012802.htm
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    Can those who saw Kevin Reynolds tell me if he actually has become a mid-7s skater? Because for the life of me I cannot imagine a skate where he'd be only 3.5 points shy of Takahashi's PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Can those who saw Kevin Reynolds tell me if he actually has become a mid-7s skater? Because for the life of me I cannot imagine a skate where he'd be only 3.5 points shy of Takahashi's PCS.
    Decent choreography, he seemed to be skating to the music and was quite expressive.

    But his basic skating is still very weak in comparison to skaters like Hanyu, Yan and Takahashi and his posture and lines are subpar as well.

    So again, a case where PCS variation should have been applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy
    I really hope that if YAN Han placed above SONG Nan, he ends up getting sent to both Junior and Senior Worlds.
    That doesn't sound like that good an idea. Song beat Yan at chinease nationals, so it's not as if you couldn't make an argument for Song going. Besides, Yan had a rough Junior season so far and was ill. Doing both Junior and Senior worlds sounds tiring and stressful. If at all, let him go to seniors and pass on Junior worlds. (Yan had some health problems last year too, if I remember correctly. I don't think he'd handle doing both so easily.)


    I'm not happy with Dai's new SP. The Stroll wasn't a masterpiece, but at least it stood out and had a different style compared to his LP. It was fun. Maybe if it hadn't been for the mistakes I'd like it better, but for now I'm nothing more than lukewarm on his new SP. And the next comp he's going to skate it will already be at worlds. If Hanyu, Chan and Fernandez deliver at least reasonably well, they're pretty much going to beat Dai with that programm (of course, especially Hanyu).
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    Also, pretty cool to have the top six/final group for the LP from four countries.

    Ziggy, so would you say Reynolds got the two-quad bonus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Can those who saw Kevin Reynolds tell me if he actually has become a mid-7s skater? Because for the life of me I cannot imagine a skate where he'd be only 3.5 points shy of Takahashi's PCS.
    I agree.

    As for me - yes, great jumps (if nonURed), and nothing more.

    Rogozine - about the same as Reynolds (minus potentially great jumps).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Ziggy, so would you say Reynolds got the two-quad bonus?
    Yes. And he did make quite a good impression overall. Jumps were landed (albeit <), he sold the program quite well so the judges saw the overall performance as of a high standard.

    Even though whilst some things about it were top drawer, some were really lackluster. But since judges never vary the marks, you just get this overall 'this was good' mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Exactly. Only Japan has as much depth the difference being their top skaters are more consistent and at the top right now. The US sure has a heck of a lot more depth then say Canada where it's Chan and everyone else.
    I agreee.

    LOL...I can't get over the results but we will see. Not a fan of any of our US guys but with no pressure at all they will probably do better in the long. The only thing is that when I think about it, not even all the top guys are here so I just don't know how they will place at worlds. I see them even further down if they make even one stumble.
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    I don't think Dornbush will hold it together in the FS. There's a huge gap between him and Aaron but if Aaron lands his jumps, he can still come on top.

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