They had the best SD program of the whole season at Nationals and 4CC last year (for me)!
Are you serious?
They had the best SD program of the whole season at Nationals and 4CC last year (for me)!
I will say that I had higher hopes for this SD, though (we've discussed this already). It's interesting that Marina so nailed the SD for D/W and struggled to find the right fit for V/M and the Shibs, both who have conceptual short dances that might have been better suited to free dances. V/M made the right choice to simplify the emotional tenor (it was a mysterious, ethereal piece before) of the program and fit it more closely to the standard polka theme (it's very playful now); I don't think the Shibs really explored making a choice. But I love how expressive Maia is with her arms and body, and Alex is right up there with her. I really do hope they aren't dumped like everyone seems to want them to be, but the breadth of American ice dance right now is phenomenal.
:disagree: I'm glad that you are not a judge. Always? Always?
Why bother holding competitions if "it's safe to say" that the results are (or "should" be) preordained?
it's actually happened that way several times. VM win the SD, DW win the FD... the overall winner depends on how big of margin there was after the SD.
golden411, There was definitely a scoring error in the software at the 2011 GPF that underscored V&M by 0.5 points. However, because neither the coaches nor the skaters complained about it in the time alloted by the rules, the scores still stand on the database, similar to not changing the outcome of a football game due to a bad call by the referee, if the team does not protest at the time.
In fact, D&W's FD was the top of Progression of Scores List for "world records, until this 4CC's, when D&W earned a slightly higher score for their FD than their 2011 GPF score. Consequently, their FD score at 4CC's is now the current "world record." However, nobody has said anything about this, as they did when Yu Na, Patrick, and Yuzuru broke "world records" for two reasons:
1. Nobody ever talks about ice dance world records no matter who has them, which, of course, is not very fair to the dancers.
2. D&W's new record of 112.68 is still very slightly below the score V&M would have had if they had complained about it in the alloted time, 112.84. It would be embarrassing for the ISU (again) if anyone were to bring up this up in the media, which is what might happen if someone were to actually report a World Record Dance score, even supposing anyone were interested in reading about it.
Your memory is inaccurate... unless you consider twice to be "several times."
Man, I'm not feeling the love this thread. If it makes you feel better to read "several" as "a couple," then please do so. I didn't say it was an emerging pattern or trend--just that there's precedent for these teams to flip flop between segments of the competition so if the scores are close, it's anybody's game in terms of the final placements. And if you really want to know, I specifically thought of 2010 Worlds and 2011 Worlds, where the former had too big of a deficit after the CD/OD for DW to overcome despite winning the free dance and then the latter being an example of when scores are closer together after the SD, the FD winner can win overall.
I think you're right--I really do miss Bates/Samuelson. And along those lines, I have a feeling I won't like the new pairs partnership of Narumi Takahashi with her new partner because I really loved her pairing with Mervin Tran.
I miss Bates/Samuelson and can't get into C/B so I agree there is some truth to this idea. That said for me, he just really left a bad tast in my mouth with how he split up with Samuelson and I frankly think he is a bad person who doesn't deserve success. This prevents me from enjoying him like I should. I realize this is not fair (at least not entirely) but it is what it is.
In any case, I'm relieved that we're on the same page this time. )
I miss Bates/Samuelson and can't get into C/B
I miss Bates/Samuelson and can't get into C/B so I agree there is some truth to this idea. That said for me, he just really left a bad tast in my mouth with how he split up with Samuelson and I frankly think he is a bad person who doesn't deserve success. This prevents me from enjoying him like I should. I realize this is not fair (at least not entirely) but it is what it is.
Thanks! I really appreciate that! No hard feelings!
I don't blame you---I'm the same. If I feel someone is bad/mean off ice, it has a direct impact on my appreciation for his/her skating. I know I know it should not be that way, but we're all human