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    Aarons 4S+2T: bad tactics?

    Why jumps Aaron 4S+2T and 3Lz in his SP? He coud reach with 4S and 3Lz+3T much more points.

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    I bet it was 4S+3T that he planned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'etoile View Post
    I bet it was 4S+3T that he planned.

    Yes, at Nationals he did a 4S+3T in the SP.

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    But in the FS he jumped only a 4S+2T. The 4S+3T is evidently too risky for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyguy View Post
    But in the FS he jumped only a 4S+2T. The 4S+3T is evidently too risky for him.
    He wants to repeat the salchow. He wants to backload a triple triple combo. It's not unheard of (Lambiel would do a 4-2-2 as his first combination, and than a 3-3 in the backhalf). It's a points thing.

    As for the SP, it's a risk because if he doesn't do a combo, he gets hammered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyguy View Post
    But in the FS he jumped only a 4S+2T. The 4S+3T is evidently too risky for him.
    Because 4s/2t was planned in the FS.

    http://www.usfigureskating.org/leade...0/results.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Because 4s/2t was planned in the FS.

    http://www.usfigureskating.org/leade...0/results.html
    The link says that he planned a 4S/3T. In the last three competions he planned this, but only in the SP at Nationals he was succesful. For that reason I mean he should change the tactics and jump in the SP 4S and 3Lz+3T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyguy View Post
    The link says that he planned a 4S/3T. In the last three competions he planned this, but only in the SP at Nationals he was succesful. For that reason I mean he should change the tactics and jump in the SP 4S and 3Lz+3T.
    Ah, you are right.

    He planned 4s/3t and when it didn't work he changed 2axel...3salchow to 3toe...3salchow. Right.

    I do agree that 3lutz/3toe (performed in the second half) would be more consistent for him probably. Although we don't really know. Maybe it isn't?

    Also, if he does hit 4s/3t, it has the 'wow! factor' and the judges are likely to hand out big GOEs.

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    Also, I think the only way to make something consistent is to stick with it - until it works. And if he's already done it once, there is no reason to assume he won't succeed again.

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    It may also have a high success rate in training which means just getting over the hump of competing it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Also, if he does hit 4s/3t, it has the 'wow! factor' and the judges are likely to hand out big GOEs.
    ITA. Up-and-coming skaters really need to wow the judges to get noticed. Someone like Chan or Yuzuru could do a 3/3 and a solo quad and get the same marks, but I think it helps lesser known skaters get a higher score when they accomplish these difficult combos.

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    ^ Plus, if he did a solo 4S in the SP he would have to enter it from steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyguy View Post
    But in the FS he jumped only a 4S+2T. The 4S+3T is evidently too risky for him.
    His strategy was to maximize points by repeating the higher valued jumps: 4S and 3A. Once he repeated those two jumps, he could only do one 3T, which he opted to do in a combination in the second half of the program.

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    To get the 10% bonus on the 3T....

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    He should still do 3T on either the 4S or the 3A in his LP, if he wants to maximize his points. His 3T-half loop-3S combo would then become a 2Axel-half loop-3Sal combo.

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