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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Osmond kicked the sh*t out of her CH and had about a trillion more nuances than Gold. I was VERY impressed with Osmond's musicality and attack, her program is so much more detailed than that of Gold, Gao and Murakami even.

    Overall, however, I am so impressed with the programs of these top tier ladies. Energetic, musical, well performed, some clever details in all the programs. Gold's did feel the most junior/dated whilst Gao's was probably too 'quiet', her elements were exceptional and I happened to like the quiet detail.

    Like I said, mucho impressed with the quality, the Euro ladies have their work cut out for them at worlds.
    arm movements gets high pcs ? Gracie has everything if Osmond can get 8 then Gracie gets 29 !
    Gracie is a good freeskater, while Osmond ha never done a clean FS, so lets see how they will score her there if she will still outscore Gracie in pcs

    btw good for Kanako and especially Akiko for coming back after 2 dismal competitions
    hope Kanako wont get her typical UR calls in the FS

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Agnes needs to skate for Poland.....
    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Agnes needs to skate for Poland.....
    Ahhhh, we'd love to have such a skater! Though she probably woudn't be willing to represent our country. Plus there's not too much time left before 2014 Olympics so if she had changed her nationality she wouldn't be allowed to skate there. On the other hand, if Agnes wants to skate till 2018 and I assume she does, it's not a bad idea. There would be no problem on the Poland's side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art&Sport View Post


    From what my eyes saw, I'd have Mao in first, Christina Gao in second, Suzuki in third, Kanako in fourth. .
    Gao was excellent, particularly for a relatively inexperienced skater. Incredible technical content and some quiet qualities that I really appreciate, but to see that performance as better than Suzuki ( 10 times faster, deeper edges, original CH and incomparable connections and transitions) and Murakami ( faster, more emotive, all big jumps in the second half) is either biased or oblivious.

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    Well, you gushing fans sound like you're from the CoP/ IJS generation. All about the jumps and the numbers and the superficial artistic immaturity of fresh new faces, or gutsy veteran ones.

    Hey, but not a bad suggestion for Agnes. She sure can jump at least, when she's not cleaning the ice with the back-end of her costume. Anyways, USFS seems for the moment at least, to prefer Agnes over subtle but gorgeously gifted Gao.
    Last edited by Art&Sport; 02-09-2013 at 12:46 PM.

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    Oblivious it is, then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Art&Sport View Post
    Well, you gushing fans sound like you're from the CoP/ IJS generation.

    NEWS FLASH> that is the sport now???

    If you want 1996 Kwan, go watch Art on Ice and save yourself the heartache of ISU competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Oblivious it is, then.

    NEWS FLASH> that is the sport now???

    If you want 1996 Kwan, go watch Art on Ice and save yourself the heartache of ISU competitions.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Gao was excellent, particularly for a relatively inexperienced skater. Incredible technical content and some quiet qualities that I really appreciate, but to see that performance as better than Suzuki ( 10 times faster, deeper edges, original CH and incomparable connections and transitions) and Murakami ( faster, more emotive, all big jumps in the second half) is either biased or oblivious.
    Eh, I see your last couple of posts jamie. It's all subjective when it comes down to comparing apples and oranges when competitors skate clean. Suzuki was beautiful and powerful with her edgy program, but she's not a better skater than Christina (just more experienced). Kanako was very pleasing to watch and she's a good skater, but again to me not as aesthetically pleasing to watch as Gao. I'm not sure whether Kanako was all the way around either on her triple jump combo -- but who can be bothered to nitpick re quarters of an inch, unless of course it's Mirai Nagasu skating with the flu under the microscopic eyes of U.S. Nationals judges.

    I'd say, obvious it is, that this sport is heading in all kinds of w*t*f directions. The ladies do seem to be keeping things on track here for a more predictable result, however.

    Yeah, that's the stuff, jamie, you ISU-enabler you. And btw, it's a bit more like heartburn and eye-bleed watching some of these programs (not so much the top ladies at this event, although I'll be somewhat interested to see how they're all gonna stack up against Yu Na and Carolina at Worlds). The heartburn and eye-bleed occurs even moreso re most of the scoring and protocols.

    Well, but continue having a blast all youse who are enjoying the ISU ride these days.
    Last edited by Art&Sport; 02-09-2013 at 03:43 PM.

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    Wow that was a good ladies sp. I m looking forward to watching the vids!

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    LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - RESULT & VIDEOS (Updated)

    1. Mao ASADA (JPN) - 74.49 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
    2. Akiko SUZUKI (JPN) - 65.65 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
    3. Kanako MURAKAMI (JPN) - 64.04 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    4. Christina GAO (USA) - 62.34 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    5. Gracie GOLD (USA) - 60.36 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
    6. Kexin ZHANG (CHN) - 57.56 Short Program
    7. Agnes ZAWADZKI (USA) - 57.45 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    8. Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN) - 56.22 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    9. Amelie LACOSTE (CAN) - 54.74 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    10. Zijun LI (CHN) - 54.51 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    11. Brooklee HAN (AUS) - 48.54 Short Program
    12. Julianne SEGUIN (CAN) - 46.82
    13. Chantelle KERRY (AUS) - 43.93
    14. Reyna HAMUI (MEX) - 43.72
    15. Yeon Jun PARK (KOR) - 39.78
    16. Melinda WANG (TPE) - 39.75
    17. Melissa BULANHAGUI (PHI) - 38.58
    18. Crystal KIANG (TPE) - 37.99
    19. Lejeanne MARAIS (RSA) - 34.28
    20. Ami PAREKH (IND) - 30.07
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    All this hate about Agnes is just annoying.

    I love Zawadzki's skating. And, I AM NOT AMERICAN. I am from Brazil. She reminds me a lot of Caro(my favorite skater).

    Please, stop being so rude and tough with Agnes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mateusp1 View Post

    I love Zawadzki's skating. And, I AM NOT AMERICAN. I am from Brazil. She reminds me a lot of Caro(my favorite skater).
    Agnes is like Carolina ? , you have to be joking

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Agnes is like Carolina ? , you have to be joking
    In my opinion, I find them kinda similar. But, IT IS JUST MY OPINION.

    For me, the similarities:

    -Both are tall;
    -Skate fast, great speed;
    -Nice edges(of course, Carolina has better edges and speed);
    -Massive, high, long jumps;
    -Flawless jumping technique(no pre rotation, tight air position);
    -Interesting and unique music choices.


    Agnes is still very young and is not mature as Carolina(of course). But, I find some similiraties.

    Don't know if someone else agree.

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    Mao88 thank you for the vids!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mateusp1 View Post
    All this hate about Agnes is just annoying.

    I love Zawadzki's skating. And, I AM NOT AMERICAN. I am from Brazil. She reminds me a lot of Caro(my favorite skater).

    Please, stop being so rude and tough with Agnes.
    I don't think anyone has been hating on Agnes. I actually probably have come the closest, several pages back in this thread, and I don't think I was spitting vitriol by any strech of the imagination.

    I think for the most part all anyone is saying is they do not like her and they wish USFSA would stop placing her ahead (PCS wise especially) of Gao, especially when her programs are always marred with falls. I also said I don't think she has may fans on the board, which I maintain, but I am actually glad you have spoken out as a fan, because I personally always like when people present different sides of things.

    However, at the end of the day, as you say below, it is all only my (and whoever else posts about her skating) opinion. Neither I nor anyone else has made a personal attack against her (at least in this thread... there was a crazy comment in the edge earlier today about Agnes's mom or something... but leaving that aside...) and it is our right to say we don't enjoy her skating.

    That all said, I disagree with the (admittedly interesting) comparison to Carolina. Her posture and edging are far worse than Carolinas and in my opinion she totally lacks the grace/elegance/presence on the ice. However, I totally respect your opinion and find it interesting. I do agree they both have great speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Osmond kicked the sh*t out of her CH and had about a trillion more nuances than Gold. I was VERY impressed with Osmond's musicality and attack, her program is so much more detailed than that of Gold, Gao and Murakami even.

    Overall, however, I am so impressed with the programs of these top tier ladies. Energetic, musical, well performed, some clever details in all the programs. Gold's did feel the most junior/dated whilst Gao's was probably too 'quiet', her elements were exceptional and I happened to like the quiet detail.

    Like I said, mucho impressed with the quality, the Euro ladies have their work cut out for them at worlds.
    Osmond is only a little off her personal Best ( not counting National) given she flubbed a jump.
    I agree with eurosport that her personality shoots across the ice. If she gets consistency and more international experience she definitely has potential.
    Go Kaetlyn!

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