02-09-2013, 02:14 PM
Thumbs up to the idea of all skaters wearing black pants and black turtlenecks.
Unlike the original post, this is not written tongue-in-cheek.
02-09-2013, 02:20 PM
Don't say that! :(
Originally Posted by jamie
Anyway, concerning Mura I don't think he was having the worst outing ever. Compared to the horror of his team mates he was decent! We'll never know what would have happened with Kozuka (isn't he injured anyway?) or Oda. Those two have a history of bombing as well, so we wouldn't know. I hate this "wuzrobbed" idea. He earned his bronze at Nationals. It's not his fault the others didn't deliver, when he did.
I watched it on ESP and I won't watch it again. It wasn't a good competition. I wouldn't recommend it. Watch the Ladies SP instead, that was fun.
02-09-2013, 02:23 PM
leave no stone unturned
02-09-2013, 03:00 PM
Hanyu should learn English and start reading Goldenskate instead of listening to Orser.
Originally Posted by seniorita
02-09-2013, 03:04 PM
I just thought it was great that he wasn't flopping around the ice after this skate. I guess he only saves those dramatics for a good skate.
Originally Posted by Ziggy
02-09-2013, 03:27 PM
Honestly I wonder if the skaters sometimes google themselves or read discussion boards. I would do it. Probably once and then never return again.
Originally Posted by let`s talk
02-09-2013, 03:43 PM
Skaters do read the boards. As do their parents. I have had to caution more than one parent to ignore what was written about their child.
Originally Posted by MaiKatze
02-09-2013, 04:11 PM
Maybe we are reeling from the sour grapes that must have been rolling around invisibly on the ice tripping up many of the guys in this competition.
Originally Posted by merrywidow
As to the "young Americans," Max is 21, Ross is 22, and Dornbush is 21 (to be 22 later this summer). All good ages I suppose to try for 2014 Olympics and then maybe still have an opportunity to try for 2018 Olympics. The really "youngest Americans" with talent who are eyeing a spot at Olympics and Worlds in the future, include Joshua Farris and Jason Brown (both 18). A great group of young skaters. But I'm sure Jeremy and Adam, and other U.S. guys will still be in the mix next year.
As far as, "The Yanks are coming back!" IMHO, they never really went anywhere (a U.S. American male is still the defending Olympic champion, believe it or not). To my mind, in recent years for the U.S. Americans, it's been a combination of being dissed by judges for decent programs, lagging behind a bit in quads, and not putting out their absolute best technically in the big moments. Max has served notice that he can jump, and we'll see where the judges will decide to slot him on PCS at Worlds.
Last edited by Art&Sport; 02-09-2013 at 04:15 PM.
02-09-2013, 04:17 PM
IMO The current pecking order will be quite different by the time Sochi arrives. Some of the "oldies" have remained stagnant and risk being by passed by some of the new exciting talent. A lot can change in a year. That is, of course, not true for every Olympics, but the timing seems right for this one.
02-09-2013, 04:18 PM
02-09-2013, 04:18 PM
Maybe every board ought to have a warning for skaters and their Parents: Proceed at your own peril!!!! lol
Originally Posted by Dragonlady
02-09-2013, 04:32 PM
Uhhh, the sport might have remained "stagnant," but please don't say that about the older skaters who are wearing their bodies out trying to keep up with the ridiculous physical demands the sport requires these days. These younger guys could learn a lot about artistry from watching Dai Takahashi, Jeremy Abbott, Stephane Lambiel and Jeffrey Buttle. Dai's decision to go back to Morosov has simply not worked out for him. And I still say it's a disgrace that the ISU judges were clearly too stupid to properly reward Dai Takahashi at Worlds last year for programs that were artistically masterful and had all the jumps too.
Originally Posted by Icey
As far as "exciting" new talent: IMHO Han, Nan, Hanyu, Kevin and Aaron & Ross would benefit from a Toller Cranston, John Curry, Robin Cousins, Paul Wylie, Kurt Browning tutorial and workshop. What guys are doing on the ice today might be thrills, chills and spills in regard to jumps, but not much else. BTW, Kevin Reynolds is still young but he's not a fresh new face or exciting new talent. Kudos to Kevin Reynolds on his personal victory and I hope he gets a new short program for the Olympic year (cuz while that program is actually kinda perfect for him, he needs something fresher and less "stagnant" to do battle next season ... at least in my lowly estimation).
As far as "current pecking order," as I said in my initial reaction post to the mens fp at 4CC, it's highly possible that the "existing pecking order" re Hanyu, Chan, Daisuke, or some variation without Daisuke which could include European champion, Fernandez, might be re-conformed and confirmed at Worlds (hopefully Han will be sent to Junior Worlds for the time being so he can develop further -- he needs to come back next season with better programs). I'd be surprised if Kevin makes the Worlds podium, but if he lands 4 quads again with clean programs, and the top guys stumble, all bets are off. I doubt both of those situations will occur again simultaneously. True that the Olympics is still a Worlds away in Sochi, where the Russian fed is grooming Kovtun to make the podium, and a pieced together Plushenko may limp out on invisible crutches.
Last edited by Art&Sport; 02-09-2013 at 05:01 PM.
02-09-2013, 04:45 PM
Congratulations to Kevin and Han Yan!
Good job Max!
So happy to see the new blood getting recognized! Well, Kevin is not new but his attack and improvement in artistry is quite refreshing.
02-09-2013, 04:49 PM
Sure Reynolds got luck but American champ Aaron is far less artistic = seemed overmarked here actually.
Originally Posted by jan
02-09-2013, 04:52 PM
Agree. 4CC shows that the quad beats all-forget artistry, interpretation, edge/blade skills. might as well send the guys out without music to do as many tricks as they can in a specified time. The beauty, the soul, the wonder, the magic of men's skating----dead.
Originally Posted by Art&Sport