02-11-2013, 12:22 AM
I agree that Yu Na has a very reserved quality in her skating. But whatever it is, I also agree it really worked for her in her Arirang program. Her step sequence in that program was just outstanding. I loved the placement of the spiral. There was just so much to love about that program. I wish she had kept it for this year. She was technically perfect in her long program at Korean Nationals, but so distant. The music cuts don't help.
Originally Posted by Ambivalent
02-11-2013, 12:23 AM
Well, artistry is subjective. But that's just my impression when I watch her, and others have stated as much in this thread. I never pretended to speak for anyone but myself. I stand by what I say though - I mean, Mao and Carolina, they lately use the music so well, and hit every beat and it just radiates throughout. It's not about them being more expressive, necessarily (I think Yu-Na can be very expressive); but the fact that they express the music in their skating much better. I mean, looking at Yu-Na's Les Mis footwork - it's fairly generic movement that could be any music, but I can't imagine Mao's SP footwork being done to anything else but the music she's skating to. I didn't mean to insult or offend Yu-Na when I said her movement looks coached, but that's what it looks like - kinda forced or shallow.
I think that all skaters go through struggles - Mao's mom's long illness and recent death - so I'm not sure what exactly it has to do with their musicality.
02-11-2013, 12:34 AM
I get that YuNa has never really been your favourite but I think one's choice of words could be more... shall we say, diplomatic in terms of offering your personal tastes and opinions about a skater. For example, calling a spiral "ugly", a skater's artistry not "genuine" - I just think it could have been expressed better and in a less pejorative sense. In addition, there is plenty of purpose to YuNa's movements - sure they might not be to your taste - but there is purpose nonetheless whether we find them appealing or not. I don't find Carolina's Bolero to be particularly interesting, but if her artistry moves you then that's wonderful.
Originally Posted by oleada
I respect your opinion about Yu-Na and I greatly, greatly, greatly admire Mao for all her beautiful qualities, for the record.
I do agree that YuNa's Les Mis does leave a lot to be desired in terms of the music cuts (a bit disjointed, don't you think) and her footwork but hopefully she has worked on those elements. I do think it's too early to say whether her programs this season are good or poor because they have not been skated to its fullest potential (or even against stiff competition).
(As for the portrayal of pain and loss - I do think, for me at least - that it adds a special something to a skater's programs. For that reason Joannie's 2010 Vancouver skates will always rank among my favourites, forever and always).
Last edited by Ambivalent; 02-11-2013 at 12:40 AM.
02-11-2013, 01:16 AM
Suzuki had by far the best FS, and deserved to win the overall competition here. I really enjoyed her performance despite a 1A mistake and her flutz being pretty obvious. Well done.
02-11-2013, 02:07 AM
Tripping on the Podium
It was her first time attempting this kind of difficulty (3A, 3-3, 2A-3T) in the FS this season. But as usual, people see what they want to see.
Originally Posted by jenaj
02-11-2013, 03:27 AM
Wow did I miss something , was yuna competing here? I mean I think she is incredible and all but is it necessary for her to become the focal point in every thread?.....just saying
02-11-2013, 04:03 AM
Yeah sure...so Carolina will win all future Intl comps held in Italy and Kaetlyn will win Worlds next month cause they'll have it in Canada, huh? Oh, and I just can't wait for the next major Intl comp in China, cause according to your logic, my dear Zijun will definitely be on top of the podium!
Originally Posted by ehdtkqorl123
I totally respect and understand what you're saying. I'm not in favor of the 6.0 system at all, never was. Even with some rules I'm not so fond of, CoP is still a much better system overall. It made it possible for fans to have more insight and constructive debates which I do think is a very good thing for the sport. The only problem I have is that some people get too caught up with certain rules, which can easily lead them into missing the whole picture of a well done performance. If some prefer to go on playing 'judge' rather than appreciating this sport as one of the audience, fine go ahead. That's only going to take away alot of the pleasures and joys this sport can offer from them.
Originally Posted by katymay
I disagree. Top 5 isn't a lock or anyone, period. How many times have we seen the best of skaters suddenly melt down losing wins and dropping from ranks which we predicted were rock solid for them? No skater has a lock for anything however good they were in the past, however good they currently are. Plus there's always room for nice surprises!
Originally Posted by ForeverFish
If you're talking only about the music and the basic program, yes, it wasn't her first time. But if you haven't noticed ( ), she dramatically changed her layout this time into a much difficult level than before. So in that sense, it was her first time. Check the protocols if you're not capable of distinguishing jumps by sight.
Originally Posted by jenaj
I can't agree more. I hate seeing words like 'ugly' or 'not genuine' used to evaluate any skater. In addition, although I prefer Mao's style rather than Yuna's, I have never ever felt that Yuna lacks artistry. She is totally divine and exciting on the ice with great skills. Whether her performances are moving or not may be a different issue though; that depends alot on preferance and I suppose, favoritism (we all have that don't we?). Still, Yuna is obviously on a higher plane compared to most skaters in both skill and artristry. I find it hard to believe some people have trouble seeing that even if they're not a fan in particular (like myself). However, after seeing her pros for this season, I had to admit I expected a bit more. Yuna isn't the problem, it's just the choreos. As talented as he is, Wilson didn't bring out the best in her this time. No wonder so many people want her Arirang back. I kind of wish she'd work with another choreographer next season...like Camerlengo for instance. But oh well, I'm a Camerlengo freak so I'd recommend most skaters to work with him. Besides, I've seen Yuna perform her new pros only twice this season, so maybe my impressions on them might change at Worlds.
Originally Posted by Ambivalent
Can't wait for Worlds already!
02-11-2013, 05:26 AM
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Isn't it weird? This was a very good competition, yet right after Mao skated, one of the first statements was "Oh, huge - but I think Yuna can beat that! Do others think so too?".
Originally Posted by yuki
You even get reminded about how Mao won't win against Yuna anyway, or how better Yunas artistry is (stupid question: aren't body lines, tension and stretch a good part of what is called artistry in figure skating?).
Yuna didn't skate here, and this thread is too discuss what happened here at 4CC. There are by far enough threads for people who want to go on a second Yuna vs. Mao battle round.
There was even the funny statement "Mao has seldom done 8-triple programms" Maybe I just didn't get the joke, but... hey, what an awful skater Mao is for not doing what no other woman accomplished in history so far, a 8-triple programm.
02-11-2013, 06:19 AM