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I've only been really into figure skating for a few years, so hearing everyone else's opinions is a nice change of perspective.
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very nice. she looks really determined to make it to Sochi
Christina will be taking a year off from college this coming season. Christina is 18; Gracie 17.
Also: with all the underrotation calls Mao received, she still had the greatest base value of all the ladies, 59.54 (Zijun Li came close with 57.34). She attempted an 8-triple program with 3A, 3F-3Lo and 2A-3T - that is insane technical content and obviously it didn't work out as planned, but it still was a extremely gutsy of her to attempt it. She was appropriately dinged for her mistakes (for example, the 3A< with negative GOE only got her 3.57 points). I honestly fail to understand all the criticism that she got in this thread - for some people it's as if Mao can do no right.
Why would you put a Spiral in your FS if your spirals are that terrible. Why do that to the judges? Why not do a spread eagle, instead?
ITA. Congrats to all the medalists, plus Christina and Zijun for a fine skate (luv them both ).
I'm not going to praise Mao even though I most definitely would like to, cause I'm sick of some people labelling me here as a Maobot. But I will say one thing; even with the URs and the edge call, Mao's performances in this competition moved alot of people and I think that means something.
If figure skating performances do not touch our hearts, what's the point in watching this sport anyway? Yes, fully rotated jumps with proper edges should be rewarded more than those which aren't since this is a sport. But otoh, figure skating is also a performance. It's a sport in which the audience also plays an important role. That's precisely why there are PCS; scores which I believe can only be subjective even with guidelines. As they are human, the judges will hand out PCS based on their impressions on a performance, just like the audience will evaluate a performance based on how it made them feel.
IMHO, I am sick of some 'fans' debating whether a jump was fully or under rotated. It's close to impossible to make that out when you're in the audience watching the skaters live. The audience can be moved or be amazed by what the skaters do, even if there's a slight UR here and there. Falls, step outs or other visible mistakes will distract appreciation and can ruin a performance more or less, cause those kinds of mistakes distracts them from the performance, making the audience feel down and sorry for the skaters. In other words, they're pulled back into reality from the beautiful world the skaters are trying so hard to create on the ice. But if not DGs, some slight UR or an edge call will not distract them at all. I've had my share of seeing competitions and ice shows live even in the best arena seats, so I know this as a fact.
Some of you seem to enjoy watching slo-mo vids over and over to accuse skaters of URs and wrong edges. I find that quite meaningless to be honest. We're not judges, we're not tech callers, we're not even critics so what's the point? It makes me wonder if those who do so really love this sport or care about the skaters. I think we should try to accept the skaters based on how their performances touched our hearts a bit more. Many of the girls touched my heart in various ways in this competition, I'm simply grateful to them. I'm sure they're all aware of their weak points much more than we do, and are trying to overcome them to become a better skaters. So what's the point in critisizing them so harshly?
I'm not against debating or discussing how you all feel about about the skaters and their performances. It's fun and that's what fans do. But concluding what some skaters cannot do in the future, pointing out how bad they are at what they do, and trying so hard to convince others to think in the same way seems nothing more than ego based childish talk to me. I'm not saying all of you here are like that. But some of you certainly are. I truely hope the skaters do not bother to access this forum and read such posts.
I'm SO happy for Mao bringing the 3Flip-3Loop back. The < call on it is annoying and undeserved. That was a solid jump.
I was asking if she is still injured?
Nope. At 6:48, if you freeze it at the moment the loop hits the ice you'll see it was clearly under-rotated. She was also gifted on the 3Flip, because that definitely looked under-rotated too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdHZn7YwPQE
Yes she did, on Chinese forums, it was reported she injured her leg (not said which part specifically just pulled something). She was obviously in pain so no wonder the lack of expression and the weird pause.
She hasn't competed much all season and contemplated early retirement apparently due to some rumored Chinese federation politics where her coach left for a while, so she refused to train until she got her old coach back, when the coach returned recently, so she continued. It is good she kept her jumps, and gives her plenty to work with.
I for one am thrilled with how Mao did. I think 130 is a good score for her, even with the URs, because she finally upped her technical content. I'm relieved the 3A is back and she's also going for 3-3 and 2A-3T. It's ambitious and makes me excited about her programs more because she's not only challenging herself but also the field. I'm hoping this incites Wagner and Kostner and others to go for 3-3 and more difficult triples in their free. Against Liza/Adelina, Wagner/Kostner would still be fine with lower tech content, but against Mao, their PCS is comparable so she would need to increase her BV.
Christina will be taking a year off from college this coming season. Christina is 18; Gracie 17.
Mao's score is very high, considering the mistakes. Her mistakes were actually quite similar to the mistakes she made last year at 4CC's--she two-footed her triple axel and doubled a jump--it was either the look or the salchow. I think she had one other mistake--like a step-out. I can't remember. But the upshot was that she came in second to Ashley Wagner. I don't think Mao will beat Yu Na in the free skate with mistakes like these.
Mao's score is very high, considering the mistakes. Her mistakes were actually quite similar to the mistakes she made last year at 4CC's--she two-footed her triple axel and doubled a jump--it was either the look or the salchow. I think she had one other mistake--like a step-out. I can't remember. But the upshot was that she came in second to Ashley Wagner. I don't think Mao will beat Yu Na in the free skate with mistakes like these.
how do you know ? Osmond got 115+ in Canadian soil at SC with 1 fall, Worlds generally will get inflated as its near end of the season
Osmond with 2 falls will probably score 118+ in LP at London, though its shwing Osmond isnt taht much of nerves of steel as others have said
she can implode too but she is lucky its home soil so Top 5 is lock for her
They both fell here yet Gao still beats Gold... Gold fell at nats yet beat Gao by a long shot. You know good and well what the point is. Gold-flation is alive and well in the U.S.
I understand Zayak rule. They changed the rule, which makes it not a "Basic Zayak Rule" since that one existed since 6.0, almost 30 years ago.