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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    Even with THREE ur's and a double salchow, Mao's base value was still 59.54, one of the highest of all the ladies this season. She's very close to rotating 3F+3lo (looked fine in real time), and for me, she rotated her 2a+3t. 3A was also rotated, but I think her other foot touched the ice before she completed the rotation.
    It only looks fine in real time [to you] because she is a master of staying upright and pulled in until she's gotten all the rotation in - off or on the ground (think Sarah Hughes, Nagasu, but Mao is even better at it). It's why she was able to stand up on that axel. She basically landed in a balanced backspin position. It helps avoid falls, and it helps her hook around under-rotated jumps. The problem is that because she's able to stand up so many UR jumps so easily, she doesn't get the kind of torque (or falls) that other skaters get on those landings, therefore it's comfortable and it makes it psychologically harder to fix it.

    In any case, it was pretty obvious the loop in that combo was UR in real time, as well as the second flip. What other jump did they UR? The feed was Standard Quality and I sort of tuned out halfway through the performance, anyways. Judges aren't average spectators, and neither are other skaters.

    I love Akiko Suzuki. She really draws you into her performance. She reminds me of Bebe Liang with the bits of dance she does towards the end of her program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    Christina Gao - I don't get why everyone loves her. I find her skating pleasant but boring. I'd rather gamble on Gracie Gold and hope she gets over her nerves than look forward to...more predictably pleasant boringness (sorry.) But seriously, Gracie's nerves really show on her face just before she starts to unravel. Also, I noticed she didn't have on her usual red lipstick for this LP - makes me wonder if she was overall less prepared for this competition than Nats.
    Frankly I don't adore Christina's skating and I can see why she gets lost in the shuffle. However if we are talking about making the world team and earning spots, why would you want to gamble on a skater who frankly isn't necessarily ready for prime time. I get wanting to put Gold out there for Sochi but this decision may cost us three spots. And lets not get into Wagner's meltdowns.

    The point of the matter is if you base it on the overall skating right now Gao got royally screwed by the US judges.

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    Gotta see Gold's meltdown, poor kid :(

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    I feel that Yu-Na has always known she can't out-base-value Mao, so in the past her plan has just been to stick with her guns and do the elements she does extremely well. That's where she's beaten Mao before, and may do so again. As for Mao, who could really deny her a third world championship if she lands a 3A and 3F-3Lo FS and 3A in the SP? If she does so (and it would be such a spectacle), she would be a deserving winner. But we're playing if's and but's here.

    Daisuke didn't even medal yesterday when we all thought we would. Yu-Na might not even medal and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised because I don't think she's as competition fit as she could be, just yet anyway.

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    ^^ Huge difference between Dai who is nearing the end of his great career plagued by injuries, and a still competition fit Yuna.
    but yes, totally agree about Yuna trying to do all her elements well, this is how she's won in the past, this is how she'll end her career in sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateNater View Post
    It only looks fine in real time [to you] because she is a master of staying upright and pulled in until she's gotten all the rotation in - off or on the ground (think Sarah Hughes, Nagasu, but Mao is even better at it). It's why she was able to stand up on that axel. She basically landed in a balanced backspin position. It helps avoid falls, and it helps her hook around under-rotated jumps. The problem is that because she's able to stand up so many UR jumps so easily, she doesn't get the kind of torque (or falls) that other skaters get on those landings, therefore it's comfortable and it makes it psychologically harder to fix it.

    In any case, it was pretty obvious the loop in that combo was UR in real time, as well as the second flip. What other jump did they UR? The feed was Standard Quality and I sort of tuned out halfway through the performance, anyways. Judges aren't average spectators, and neither are other skaters.

    I love Akiko Suzuki. She really draws you into her performance. She reminds me of Bebe Liang with the bits of dance she does towards the end of her program.
    Sorry, her second flip was rotated, she didn't receive a UR for it. 3A, 3lo in combination and 3t (strict call)were UR. I don't think she should try that 3lo in combination, I just don't see her getting credit for it. For me, 3lo, 3A, 3F+2lo, 3lz, 2a+3t, 3lo+2lo+2lo and 3F would make an amazing program, and cleaner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guanchi View Post
    ^^ Huge difference between Dai who is nearing the end of his great career plagued by injuries, and a still competition fit Yuna.
    but yes, totally agree about Yuna trying to do all her elements well, this is how she's won in the past, this is how she'll end her career in sochi.
    Yes, duly noted but my point was more that there are no givens in figure skating. Everyone thought it was a given that Daisuke would at least medal yesterday, and he did not.

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    I'm totally exhausted from watching 4CC!

    Gracie ... totally bombed. It was like watching a different skater to the one at Nationals (FP, that is).
    Christina Gao is a beautiful skater. I just wish she'd learn to extend her legs more. I totally agree she should go to Worlds and not Gracie.
    Kanako was wonderful! I love her musicality, but her jump techniques are still meh. Hope she can fix those within a couple of years.
    Akiko was lovely! She's skating better than ever in her career! At 27!
    Mao was not as great as she was in SP, but it's the first time she attempted an 8-triple program, and she did really well for her first attempt. I guess this is more or less the difficulty that they will aim for in Sochi. I really hope she can get the under-rotation issue sorted out during the off-season. She will be unbeatable if she can get that sorted out.

    What a wonderful night of skating it was.

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    I loved the top three and Zijun Li. That girl is awesome and surely will be a player soon. I love the Nausicaä soundtrack and I'm happy when a skater uses it. (Remember Kozukas Nausicaä? That was beautiful) But Kexin Zhang even without that weird mistake didn't know how to interpret it at all. She really has to work on her expression.

    I'm happy for Mao and Kanako, but still Akiko has the most beautiful program of this season. I was bummed that she made that mistake on the Axel. I doubt she will medal at Worlds, which is a shame because watching her awesome free just makes me happy. It is so beautiful!

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    Yuna's jumping techniques are far more superior than Mao's. It's always a treat for the eyes when watching Yuna for me. <3
    I have my bet on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    However if we are talking about making the world team and earning spots, why would you want to gamble on a skater who frankly isn't necessarily ready for prime time. I get wanting to put Gold out there for Sochi but this decision may cost us three spots. And lets not get into Wagner's meltdowns.
    can gracie deliver a clean short program at worlds? I think that's the question. She's only done 1 clean short this season, at the rostelecom, and if she blows her short again, she may effectively blow the US's chances of getting that third spot. Ashley...I don't know how to feel about her right now. At the beginning of the season, I thought she was going to be ms. consistent, but after the GPF and nationals...not so much

    really don't know how worlds is going to turn out. hopefully it'll be good. fingers crossed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Yay, Akiko finally got the kind of PCS she deserves!!!

    Me too! I am so happy she got the PCS scores she rightfully deserves!

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    the technical specialist is very strict on mao. level 3 on stsq, downgrade 2a3t, which looks perfectly fine. I also doubt the downgrades on 3a and 3f3t. They both looked rotated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherryy View Post
    She can't do that because then she would repeat 3Lz, 3T and 3S and you can only repeat 2 triples so instead of 2A-3T she does 2A-2T-2L. Unless Yuna does a 3L she can't have a 7-triple program.
    I'm going to go through the rule book and see what it says, but I'll take your word for it.

    If Asada doesn't do the 3A in the SP, Kim may not need the extra triple as her TES in the SP will be higher than Asada's and she's pretty much going to Out-GOE Asada on all jumps and rake in pretty big PCS.

    I think people are looking at base value too much and trying to make prediction. Quality matters too. Yes, Mao has a 3A. Yes, she has 7+ triples. She will still probably be a Toe Loop's worth of points behind Kim just in GOE, especially if she has just one UR, for that matter.

    That's how Wagner ranked 4th in the world last year with no triple triple, by having good transitions into her jumps, good run out, avoiding GOE-killing UR calls (apart from her Flutz edge call).

    If Wagner can score 128 Internationally in a FS, and this skate by Asada only got 130, well Kim can score 140+ if she skates clean just by what we seen her do this year.

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