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    Quote Originally Posted by mirai4life View Post
    Yuna's jumping techniques are far more superior than Mao's. It's always a treat for the eyes when watching Yuna for me. <3
    I have my bet on her.
    I am and always will be a YuNa uber for this reason but it will be extremely close if Mao goes eight triples clean. And Mao has always been such a magnificent skater who can turn it on when she's really in the zone.

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    Triple flip triple loop by ando or now asses was almost always called < on the loop part. But while ando did it with severe penalty most of the time from 2007-2010 and then did it less to be conservative now it is less risky because you can get more credit. It's good to see thee attempts and same applies to 3a. Much rather see this kind of 4 rotated triple performance win than others this season! Because here you have real attempts at difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hybfc View Post
    the technical specialist is very strict on mao. level 3 on stsq, downgrade 2a3t, which looks perfectly fine. I also doubt the downgrades on 3a and 3f3t. They both looked rotated.
    She two footed the 3A, and if you understand how those things work you can clearly see why the jump was rotated. The foot that touched down first wasn't fully rotated.

    The Loop on the end of the Flip combo was clearly UR. The Toe at the end of the Axel Combo I can't really say for sure. The feed was of low quality and the angle wasn't optimal. I don't think I bothered looking at the replay (or know if they replayed it for that matter).

    Step Sequences I don't know enough about the rules for levels on those. I just know I want them to put an end to straight line step sequences that go back and forth 5 times before they get to the other end of the rink. It's driving me mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Frankly I don't adore Christina's skating and I can see why she gets lost in the shuffle. However if we are talking about making the world team and earning spots, why would you want to gamble on a skater who frankly isn't necessarily ready for prime time. I get wanting to put Gold out there for Sochi but this decision may cost us three spots. And lets not get into Wagner's meltdowns.

    The point of the matter is if you base it on the overall skating right now Gao got royally screwed by the US judges.
    Eh...I think sometimes you have to have faith in your athletes. I know, I know...why have faith when you can look at the overall consistency in skating where Christina Gao wins this season? But really, when Gold is on (as she was at US Nats LP), she is actually exciting to watch. Whereas Gao is very meh to me. Gold is the only US lady, if clean in SP+LP, to compete with the top girls for a podium spot at Worlds.

    I wouldn't say Gao was that screwed. When Gold put down her LP she won pretty fairly, IMO. It was Wagner who was held up with her ridiculously high PCS for her LP, but I'm not complaining about the ranking if we are going by what the girls have displayed over the past two seasons.

    Full disclosure: I'm Canadian, not American so I'm not so concerned about spots as American fans are...I want to see good, exciting skating so I'm glad that it's Gold and not Gao who got the Worlds spot. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    Eh...I think sometimes you have to have faith in your athletes. I know, I know...why have faith when you can look at the overall consistency in skating where Christina Gao wins this season? But really, when Gold is on (as she was at US Nats LP), she is actually exciting to watch. Whereas Gao is very meh to me. Gold is the only US lady, if clean in SP+LP, to compete with the top girls for a podium spot at Worlds.

    I wouldn't say Gao was that screwed. When Gold put down her LP she won pretty fairly, IMO. It was Ashley who was held up with her ridiculously high PCS for her LP, but I'm not complaining about the ranking if we are going by what the girls have displayed over the past two seasons.

    Full disclosure: I'm Canadian, not American so I'm not so concerned about spots as American fans are...I want to see good, exciting skating so I'm glad that it's Gold and not Gao who got the Worlds spot. lol
    Yes, but I can't stand the two-spot situation for the US anymore (I'm Australian). As a fan of figure skating I want to see more representation from the talented US field. One less heart broken as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    Sorry, her second flip was rotated, she didn't receive a UR for it. 3A, 3lo in combination and 3t (strict call)were UR. I don't think she should try that 3lo in combination, I just don't see her getting credit for it. For me, 3lo, 3A, 3F+2lo, 3lz, 2a+3t, 3lo+2lo+2lo and 3F would make an amazing program, and cleaner.
    I'm not talking about what the protocols say. I'm talking about what I seen. Maybe they gave her the benefit of the doubt, that's usually the way it's *supposed* to go - and good for them if they erred on the side of caution (not that she needed it, so blah).

    I think she went for the loop combination because... WHY NOT?! It's not like she was going to lose to anyone. She had like a ten point lead. She could have fallen twice and still eeked out a win a'la Wagner at Nationals. Why not just go for it in such a riskless situation like this, and get just a bit more experience throwing it in a major competition...

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    One of the Eurosport guys said that Zijun Li could be a Sochi medalist.

    Is that realistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambivalent View Post
    Yes, but I can't stand the two-spot situation for the US anymore (I'm Australian). As a fan of figure skating I want to see more representation from the talented US field. One less heart broken as well.
    True, but if it were a third American girl going I'd want it to be Mirai, not Christina, and I doubt that would happen anyway because it seems the USFSA is dumping Mirai now. So...I don't feel huge regrets if that's what they're going to do.

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    i can't understand li zijun got pcs lower than gracie gold in FS

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    Eh...I think sometimes you have to have faith in your athletes. I know, I know...why have faith when you can look at the overall consistency in skating where Christina Gao wins this season? But really, when Gold is on (as she was at US Nats LP), she is actually exciting to watch. Whereas Gao is very meh to me. Gold is the only US lady, if clean in SP+LP, to compete with the top girls for a podium spot at Worlds.

    I wouldn't say Gao was that screwed. When Gold put down her LP she won pretty fairly, IMO. It was Wagner who was held up with her ridiculously high PCS for her LP, but I'm not complaining about the ranking if we are going by what the girls have displayed over the past two seasons.

    Full disclosure: I'm Canadian, not American so I'm not so concerned about spots as American fans are...I want to see good, exciting skating so I'm glad that it's Gold and not Gao who got the Worlds spot. lol
    There is a short program you know. And Gold's was terrible. As for the long program, I think Gold has terrific jumps and could eventually be a beautiful skater. However I STRONGLY disagree with the concept that Gold right now deserves the kind of lead over Gao that she got on PCS at US Nationals... Gold has a lot of work to do when it comes to interperting music.

    Did Gold deserve to place ahead of Gao in the long, sure. But overall- highly questionable. I'm not completely against it, but once again, to say there was no favoritism going on there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald View Post
    One of the Eurosport guys said that Zijun Li could be a Sochi medalist.

    Is that realistic?
    In a fair world it would be realistic. In the real world and how skating is judge she has a 15 point built in PCS deduction for being "Inexperienced."

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    True, but if it were a third American girl going I'd want it to be Mirai, not Christina, and I doubt that would happen anyway because it seems the USFSA is dumping Mirai now. So...I don't feel huge regrets if that's what they're going to do.
    Well let's just hope Gracie brings it to worlds (because Ashley most probably will) and we can have that third spot back up for grabs. I don't feel like the US judges have totally dumped Mirai, and we might see a renaissance of sorts from her in the coming year. Fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateNater View Post
    She two footed the 3A, and if you understand how those things work you can clearly see why the jump was rotated. The foot that touched down first wasn't fully rotated.
    You clearly don't understand basic Zayak rule and you tried to school others? The British guys said rotation was fine. Most of us who saw the slow mo think it's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    There is a short program you know. And Gold's was terrible. As for the long program, I think Gold has terrific jumps and could eventually be a beautiful skater. However I STRONGLY disagree with the concept that Gold right now deserves the kind of lead over Gao that she got on PCS at US Nationals... Gold has a lot of work to do when it comes to interperting music.

    Did Gold deserve to place ahead of Gao in the long, sure. But overall- highly questionable. I'm not completely against it, but once again, to say there was no favoritism going on there....
    Gracie deserves her PCS lead. Even Gao's crossovers even leave much to be desired. She has no extension. She could be so much better, but her basics need work. It looked as if she was skating from edge to edge doing jumps, with mediocre landings at that. PCS has more to do with how pretty you think one looks compared to the other. Gold is faster. She has better basics. She does have better transitions than Gao. Her skating looks much more balance. And she ever interpreted her program better, IMO.

    Why would you put a Spiral in your FS if your spirals are that terrible. Why do that to the judges? Why not do a spread eagle, instead?

    The look on Gao's face at the end of her program was priceless though. She didn't even hold her ending position. It was like she didn't care. But... She did skate well for her capabilities, so Kudos to her for that.

    I understand why she was 5th at Nationals.

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    Oh, yeah. And so relieved to see Mao's sorted out her flip!! It's got height and flow now, so no more worries at least about under-rotating her flip any more, thankfully.

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