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    The marks seems a bit generous for V/M, especially since they were allowed a second attempt at the lift. Looking at the protocols, I think D/W would have eeked out a victory either way based on TES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figuristka View Post
    Also agree. I think its a skaters worst nightmare to have to stop their program because to illness, accident etc Iam sure it means so much to them to be able to skate their program in its entirety. They have the most difficult complex program and this adds to the risk.
    I think if a program is too hard for you, dont do it!

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    From what I could tell, Scott didn't lift Tessa off of the ice before they stopped, so the lift hadn't actually begun yet. As far as I know, you need to begin the entry for it to count as an attempted element. When they stopped they were simply skating on two feet, so I think the re-start was fair.

    D/W skated lights out, and deserved the win. I think V/M have a better program overall, but they didn't deserve the win with the interruption, and they didn't get it. It all seems fair to me. I'm just glad Tessa seemed to be OK at the end. Wouldn't want anyone hurt before worlds.

    What I'm still scratching my head about is Gilles/Poirier. Where did the 97 point come from??

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackswanphoto View Post
    I totally agree. That's why this sport is getting less and less popular. It's a big joke with the judging. One couple lays an egg on the ice after a failed lift attempt where he was too tired to lift her and gets to start again with no penalty whatsoever. Other couple gets their scores totally inflated with a B level program. Looks like the judges at this event must have been on Skate Canada payroll.
    bwahahaha... sorry, that made me laugh. canadian athletic groups are extremely underfunded. i'm not sure what they would be payrolling the judges with...

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    Yes, V/M are slightly overscored, but they would've won silver medal anyway even if the judges hadn't been "generous".

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan04 View Post
    From what I could tell, Scott didn't lift Tessa off of the ice before they stopped, so the lift hadn't actually begun yet. As far as I know, you need to begin the entry for it to count as an attempted element. When they stopped they were simply skating on two feet, so I think the re-start was fair.
    But you restart where you stopped. They stopped after the lift failed to go up and they restarted before the lift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackswanphoto View Post
    Yes but they were severely penalized. thats why I mentioned in another post that the Shibs should have pulled a "Tessa 4Continents 2011" instead of allowing themselves to be beaten by that Junior team. That loss is really what tarnished them for the rest of the season
    If I remember well, the situation there was quite similar. They stopped before the rotational lift, that however, wasn't counted out, but received a level 4, and they didn't get any penalties either

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    First of all, I'm not referring to you. Secondly, I wouldn't call myself a fan if I do not show any concern when my players are in pain/trouble.(Now I'm referring to you.) Who cares about the damn silver medal?

    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    Hey I resent your broad statement please remember some of us D/W fans are V/M fans too.

    Congrats to D/W for a truly amazing skate! Congrats to Tessa and Scott for winning the Silver
    and to Chock/Bates for winning the Bronze!

    All of the skaters in the final group were just fabulous! I really enjoyed this competition.

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    D/W never had a same situation, so we don't know if judges are just being generous to V/M or if that lift actually counts.

    I'm not sure about other dancers. I never saw a similar situation before-dancers having to stop right before their lift begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan04 View Post
    From what I could tell, Scott didn't lift Tessa off of the ice before they stopped, so the lift hadn't actually begun yet. As far as I know, you need to begin the entry for it to count as an attempted element. When they stopped they were simply skating on two feet, so I think the re-start was fair.

    D/W skated lights out, and deserved the win. I think V/M have a better program overall, but they didn't deserve the win with the interruption, and they didn't get it. It all seems fair to me. I'm just glad Tessa seemed to be OK at the end. Wouldn't want anyone hurt before worlds.

    What I'm still scratching my head about is Gilles/Poirier. Where did the 97 point come from??
    Both Europeans and 4CC had very generous judging in ice dance.You can't tell me that G/P,a couple where he is much stronger than her,deserve a GOE of +2 on a step sequence.Besides Vandenbroeck and Dostatni seem to be very generous in giving out the levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackswanphoto View Post
    I think if a program is too hard for you, dont do it!
    But didn't Marina say that as Olympics & World champions, they have to set new trends & be the best? Or something like that

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    But the officials allowing them to restart (and count the lift) sets a dangerous precedent IF the reason is that Tessa was so out of breath she could not continue. (and I don't doubt that reason, it was clear how physically affected she was)...

    What's the line between this and a skater knowingly packing four quads in a minute leaving him completely legitimately out of breath and physically unable to continue, then stopping and restarting after catching his breath for two minutes knowing its a valid reason? Skaters arrange jumps throughout the program and have obvious choreographic "resting" spots so they have the endurance for the 4-4.5 minute program. I think someone (maybe Plushenko?) said that a quad-quad combo in competition was possible if a program only lasted a minute, or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vera01 View Post
    D/W never had a same situation, so we don't know if judges are just being generous to V/M or if that lift actually counts.

    I'm not sure about other dancers-did any other dancers had to face similar situation before?
    if this is about my previous post, I was referring to Shibs at COR

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    ISU rules regarding a restart

    ISU rules regarding a restart (emphases added):

    3. If a Competitor gets injured during the performance or another adverse condition related to him or his equipment (such as health problems or unexpected damage to his/their clothing or equipment) impedes his/their skating, the Competitor/s must stop skating. If he/they don’t stop, they will be ordered to do so by an acoustic signal of the Referee. The Competitor/s shall continue from the point of interruption immediately, if the adverse condition can be remedied without delay. If this is not possible, the Referee will allow an up to three (3) minutes period for the Competitor/s to resume skating from the point of interruption. This time period commences immediately after the Competitor/s stops skating or is ordered to do so by the Referee, whichever is earlier.
    If the Competitor/s does not resume skating his/their program within the three minutes period, he/she shall be considered withdrawn.
    The point from where the Competitor/s has to continue the program shall be decided and communicated to the Judges and the Technical Panel by the Referee.

    6. With respect to adverse conditions related to a Competitor or his equipment, only one restart per program is allowed. In case of a second stop of the performance due to an adverse condition related to the Competitor/s or his/their equipment, the Competitor/s concerned shall be considered withdrawn.

    7. If Competitor/s do not complete the program, no marks are awarded and the Competitor/s is/are withdrawn.

    Source: pp. 108-109 at the link below
    http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/...-0-file,00.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by figureskate View Post
    if this is about my previous post, I was referring to Shibs at COR
    Did Shibs stop right before their lifts? I don't think Shibs got any deductions for this.

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