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    I don't want them to get an accident but I don't want them to win silver either. The penalty they got was disproportionate to what they did. They stopped for two minutes to catch a breath! They shouldn't get rewarded silver for that. They should be penalized more so that they don't end up second.

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    Can D/W fans get any more pathetic? Bashing V/M before knowing what's going on. It's brave of V/M to continue the program, and I'm sure they did it for the audience. They knew they wouldn't win when they stopped. Do you really think they cared for the silver medal enough to risk their health? Show some humanity and respect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    The rules clearly state that if you interrupt a program, you start from where you stopped.

    Virtue/Moir stopped after a failed lift attempt.

    Hence, they should not have been allowed to repeat the lift. The rules are totally unambiguous on that and I really cannot believe that the referee has allowed this to happen.
    I wondered that too, if their lift should count. I do think G/P are overscored also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    Can D/W fans get any more pathetic? Bashing V/M before knowing what's going on. It's brave of V/M to continue the program, and I'm sure they did it for the audience. They knew they wouldn't win when they stopped. Do you really think they cared for the silver medal enough to risk their health? Show some humanity and respect!
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    The rules clearly state that if you interrupt a program, you start from where you stopped.

    Virtue/Moir stopped after a failed lift attempt.

    Hence, they should not have been allowed to repeat the lift. The rules are totally unambiguous on that and I really cannot believe that the referee has allowed this to happen.

    Other than that, judging has made me furious as usual. I feel like I was watching a totally different competition.

    I can't understand at all how Shibutanis could have clearly beaten Chock/Bates who had more flow, more expression and a more complex program with quite a lot of choreographic detail. I also can't understand how Gilles/Poirier whose elements weren't very strong and who still look like he's dragging her across the ice could have placed 3rd in the FD. They didn't do too badly but their performance was nowhere near the level of both of the American teams.
    I totally agree. That's why this sport is getting less and less popular. It's a big joke with the judging. One couple lays an egg on the ice after a failed lift attempt where he was too tired to lift her and gets to start again with no penalty whatsoever. Other couple gets their scores totally inflated with a B level program. Looks like the judges at this event must have been on Skate Canada payroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    The rules clearly state that if you interrupt a program, you start from where you stopped.

    Virtue/Moir stopped after a failed lift attempt.

    Hence, they should not have been allowed to repeat the lift. The rules are totally unambiguous on that and I really cannot believe that the referee has allowed this to happen.

    Other than that, judging has made me furious as usual. I feel like I was watching a totally different competition.

    I can't understand at all how Shibutanis could have clearly beaten Chock/Bates who had more flow, more expression and a more complex program with quite a lot of choreographic detail. I also can't understand how Gilles/Poirier whose elements weren't very strong and who still look like he's dragging her across the ice could have placed 3rd in the FD. They didn't do too badly but their performance was nowhere near the level of both of the American teams.
    This. x a gazillion. I've been a big fan of the Chock/Bates FS since it was first skated this season, and I just don't see how Poirier manages to pull off these huge scores for something I see as a good but middling program. C/B lack the polish that Samuelson and Bates had, but I do think that is simply a matter of time: they've only been together for a relatively short time. I think they'll really come into their own during the next quad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk8Boi View Post
    These events could be interpreted as a demonstration of the effects of competition pressure. D/W again demonstrated that they are the most consistent competitors in putting out skates that could win any world championship. They seem to do it nearly every time. V/M, for whatever reasons that are known, always seem to have seasons where they are developing a program and peaking with a full-potential program later in the seasons for the "big" competitions.

    The scores D/W received were huge and better than what V/M had previously received. They had little experience skating that perfect Carmen program in competition this season. It is still in development. I am sure that after that D/W skate, it caused nerves and anxiety in V/M. She could have had a "panic attack" or enough anxiety to cause her to breath incorrectly during the skating, causing hyperventiltion or shortness of breath.

    It looks to me that she simply, as described above, choked.

    Now let's discuss.
    We don't really know what happened. It seemed like they were talking before going into the lift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackswanphoto View Post
    I totally agree. That's why this sport is getting less and less popular. It's a big joke with the judging. One couple lays an egg on the ice after a failed lift attempt where he was too tired to lift her and gets to start again with no penalty whatsoever. Other couple gets their scores totally inflated with a B level program. Looks like the judges at this event must have been on Skate Canada payroll.
    You're saying as if there was nothing wrong with Tessa, they just decided to take a nice little break because they were "so tired".

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackswanphoto View Post
    I totally agree. That's why this sport is getting less and less popular. It's a big joke with the judging. One couple lays an egg on the ice after a failed lift attempt where he was too tired to lift her and gets to start again with no penalty whatsoever. Other couple gets their scores totally inflated with a B level program. Looks like the judges at this event must have been on Skate Canada payroll.
    Weren't the Shibs allowed to restart at COR though? Like what happened here...

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    erm... i didn't get the impression that scott was the one who couldn't continue... it is pretty evident that tessa said something to him during the beginning of the entrance embrace that caused the stoppage.

    the situation reminded me a lot of the shibutanis at COR

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    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    Can D/W fans get any more pathetic? Bashing V/M before knowing what's going on. It's brave of V/M to continue the program, and I'm sure they did it for the audience. They knew they wouldn't win when they stopped. Do you really think they cared for the silver medal enough to risk their health? Show some humanity and respect!
    Hey I resent your broad statement please remember some of us D/W fans are V/M fans too.

    Congrats to D/W for a truly amazing skate! Congrats to Tessa and Scott for winning the Silver
    and to Chock/Bates for winning the Bronze!

    All of the skaters in the final group were just fabulous! I really enjoyed this competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icefan1005 View Post
    Weren't the Shibs allowed to restart at COR though? Like what happened here...
    Yes, they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icefan1005 View Post
    Weren't the Shibs allowed to restart at COR though? Like what happened here...
    Yes but they were severely penalized. thats why I mentioned in another post that the Shibs should have pulled a "Tessa 4Continents 2011" instead of allowing themselves to be beaten by that Junior team. That loss is really what tarnished them for the rest of the season

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    This. x a gazillion. I've been a big fan of the Chock/Bates FS since it was first skated this season, and I just don't see how Poirier manages to pull off these huge scores for something I see as a good but middling program. C/B lack the polish that Samuelson and Bates had, but I do think that is simply a matter of time: they've only been together for a relatively short time. I think they'll really come into their own during the next quad.
    Chock/Bates looked pretty terrible last season and I am quite astounded with how much they have improved. Both of their programs actually looked very polished to me. Elegant, flowed well, presented with a lot of attack and expression.

    Gilles/Poirier are definitely promising. She's got lovely lines, they have good chemistry and present their programs quite well but there's a lot of work to be done on her basic skating and the elements are not there yet. They aren't bad but there's a lot of work ahead of them and I don't understand why they are being scored so highly already. I think they might be politicked heavily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    Can D/W fans get any more pathetic? Bashing V/M before knowing what's going on. It's brave of V/M to continue the program, and I'm sure they did it for the audience. They knew they wouldn't win when they stopped. Do you really think they cared for the silver medal enough to risk their health? Show some humanity and respect!
    Also agree. I think its a skaters worst nightmare to have to stop their program because to illness, accident etc Iam sure it means so much to them to be able to skate their program in its entirety. They have the most difficult complex program and this adds to the risk.

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