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    The biggest progress of skaters

    ...within the year) Which programs are getting better and better with each competition this year?

    1)Mao - she started meh, but now she got her jump(s) back and is significantly better
    2) V/M - they always scored lower than D/W on this year competitions. Their programs didn't look as easy as they usually seemed. But now they finally are back to their usual selves)
    3) Tukt - She started really bad, her puberty finally got to her skating..But now she proved that she is a world class skater ready to make an impact at Worlds. Still can't say the same about Adelina=(
    4) Kevin!!! ..the guy from Canada)) REALLY didn't expect him to win

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    I'd agree with your list, especially since you put Mao at the top. I'm thinking that I'd add Christina Gao, who really served notice this year that she has the goods to do well internationally, even though the (silly) judges in the U.S. still kept her in fifth place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I'd agree with your list, especially since you put Mao at the top. I'm thinking that I'd add Christina Gao, who really served notice this year that she has the goods to do well internationally, even though the (silly) judges in the U.S. still kept her in fifth place.
    I think that Gao is good all year=) She isn't nervous this year at all. She does what she can do) There is no progress from program to program for her, that's why she isn't on my list.
    But I've completely forgotten M-T/M! They develop from start to start. They might rival D/R for bronze this year

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    I would also put Javier Fernandez. His LP at Euros was breathtaking while at Skate Canada I thought it's a good program but nothing more. I love that he has the best and hardest jumps currently in the world but still managed to get into character. Not to mention he landed 3 quads in the LP in his last two international competitions( and big ones: GPF and Euros)

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    I'd put Adelina here, absolutely! her FS at the beginning of the season was horrible, but now it turned out a decent program for me. I/K, too, thei FD has improved a lot, even if I don't still get it...

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    Men:

    Kevin Reynolds, Javier Fernandez, Yuzuru Hanyu, Yan Han

    Ladies:

    Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Christina Gao, Mao Asada

    Pairs:

    Bazarova/Larionov, James/Cipres, Moore-Towers/Moskovitch

    Ice Dance:

    Ilinykh/Katsalapov, Capellini/Lanotte, Bobrova/Soloviev, Chock/Bates, Giles/Poirer

    Regressing:
    Patrick Chan, Kavaguti/Smirnov, The Shibutanis,

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    I'd put Adelina here, absolutely! her FS at the beginning of the season was horrible, but now it turned out a decent program for me. I/K, too, thei FD has improved a lot, even if I don't still get it...
    ITA about Adelina, those were brilliant performances at euros, so far ahead of what she did on the GP

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatel80 View Post
    ITA about Adelina, those were brilliant performances at euros, so far ahead of what she did on the GP
    I'm not sure it's not a fluke..That was just 1 competition..But, yeah, it was a HUGE success for her to finally skate as she does on practice. Let's wait and see, I guess)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Men:

    Kevin Reynolds, Javier Fernandez, Yuzuru Hanyu, Yan Han

    Ladies:

    Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Christina Gao, Mao Asada

    Pairs:

    Bazarova/Larionov, James/Cipres, Moore-Towers/Moskovitch

    Ice Dance:

    Ilinykh/Katsalapov, Capellini/Lanotte, Bobrova/Soloviev, Chock/Bates, Giles/Poirer

    Regressing:
    Patrick Chan, Kavaguti/Smirnov, The Shibutanis,
    I'm sure Patrick will pick himself up again as soon as he figures out the right training regimen. The Shibs, as ice dancers, should hopefully enjoy a long span of success, so this year might be just a blip in their progress. The ones that distress me are Kavaguti/Smirnov. I love their skating, and I love Moskvina as a pairs coach. I do hope they revive themselves and can start to climb again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I'm sure Patrick will pick himself up again as soon as he figures out the right training regimen. The Shibs, as ice dancers, should hopefully enjoy a long span of success, so this year might be just a blip in their progress. The ones that distress me are Kavaguti/Smirnov. I love their skating, and I love Moskvina as a pairs coach. I do hope they revive themselves and can start to climb again.
    Thanks Olympia, I always appreciate your perspective.

    The Shibutanis by no means have had the BEST year ever but FWIW here are their scores from this season:

    SD: 58.26 (COR), 60.84 (NHK), 63.26 (4CC)
    FD: 82.65 (COR), 93.72 (NHK), 96.71 (4CC)

    Since when is an upward trend in scores = regression? In fact their FD score is just .20 off their personal best from 2011 Worlds. The thing is that there's a lot of people in the mix and on any given day a point here or there or one technical call really shake up the placements outside the top two (heck it can determine which of the top two wins). At 4CC there were fewer than 3 points between Chock and Bates and Gilles and Poirier in the total score. For some perspective on how tight that is: That is the difference between getting a level 4 step sequence (8.00 points) and a level 2 step sequence (5 points).

    We're seeing that with Patrick Chan as well. He's struggling yes, but he's also dealing with the fact that people are catching up to him, even surpassing him technically to the point where the PCS gap isn't enough for him to dominate over his competitors any more.

    Meryl Davis and Charlie White have made great progress to the point where they're beating Virtue and Moir in competition, but I doubt anyone would say that Virtue and Moir are regressing. No, it's more about Davis and White progressing at an amazing clip.

    The same goes Fernandez, Hanyu, Takahashi and the like with Chan. And Chock and Bates with the Shibutanis.
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    Chan needs another quad or 3A and gain some consistency and improve on artistry to keep up with these guys. He should focus on jumps, spins and artistry. Wagner is probably one person who is regressing; I am not sure why K and S are so hated; I can't figure that out or B and L's rise. Really confusing to me.

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    Liza and Adelina both were so superior to where they started. Gosviani had no jrgp assignment and now worlds is likely in the future? If thats not progress I don't know what it is. The means havent been pretty but 3rd alternate to nationals to worlds is likely.

    Men for sure Fernandez. His success Now extends outside the gp to euros wins! First medal gold.

    Pairs is d/r. Coming on strong.

    Dance progress is hard because no matter how good anyone gets there is no way to beat VMDW. The empire. The infallibles, the cream, the helium

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    Biggest surprises, in a good way of course, this season so far to me:

    -Valentina Marchei! , Christina Gao, Mao Asada
    -Kevin Reynolds , Maxim Kovtun, Alexander Majorov, Takahito Mura
    -Chock/Bates, Cappellini/Lanotte
    -James/Cipres, Barton/Hotarek

    Aaaaand Honorable mention: Daisuke Takahashi
    This season he is trying to put 3 quads in two programs; for the first time in his whole career. Hit or miss so far unfortunately. But don't forget this means he tries to go BEYOND of his old-self in 2008 where he had to leave competitive skating with severe knee injury. At 26, he still wants to improve his technical aspect. I.Love.That. (okay, i am biased i know!)

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    Kovtun, Miner, Farris, Fernandez
    Gao, Tuktamysheva, Pogorilaya

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Kovtun, Miner, Farris, Fernandez
    Gao, Tuktamysheva, Pogorilaya
    Tuktamysheva - no. Her results and level at 2011/2012 were high. She restores, not progresses.

    Kaetlyn Osmond - yes.

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