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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    He peaked late. Plus, as soon as he did, the Fed began screwing him over.
    So why are you suggesting the Fed continues to screw over it's skaters? They were wrong to do it to Gatchinski, wrong to do it to Menshov, and it would be wrong and more importantly STUPID AND DAMAGING to do it to Kovtun now. Kovtun did not send himself to Worlds, nor Euros. Voronov skated well at Worlds last season and wound up 17th due to the depth of the field and poor PCS, then he didn't do well at Euros and Kovtun beat him, so it makes sense not to send Voronov, and if Voronov is good enough to beat Menshov at Nationals then it's really not that crazy how the fed wound up deciding to send Kovtun to Worlds (though he probably should have competed at the Russian Cup event first). What really should have happened was Menshov, Voronov, and Kovtun going to Euros as a skate off and the highest placed one goes to Worlds - Plushy ended up withdrawing anyways, had he been honest about his condition he would have not competed at all knowing it was unwise and he was hurt. The fed took a gamble deciding to send Kovtun over Menshov and so far it paid off at Euros but hasn't thus far at Worlds - that's it, arguably not the right call but it's a gamble either way. Tanking at Worlds is going to look worse for Menshov than it will for Kovtun anyways, in some respects, the Fed is saving Menshov from potential embarassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    So why are you suggesting the Fed continues to screw over it's skaters? They were wrong to do it to Gatchinski, wrong to do it to Menshov, and it would be wrong and more importantly STUPID AND DAMAGING to do it to Kovtun now. Kovtun did not send himself to Worlds, nor Euros. Voronov skated well at Worlds last season and wound up 17th due to the depth of the field and poor PCS, then he didn't do well at Euros and Kovtun beat him, so it makes sense not to send Voronov, and if Voronov is good enough to beat Menshov at Nationals then it's really not that crazy how the fed wound up deciding to send Kovtun to Worlds (though he probably should have competed at the Russian Cup event first). What really should have happened was Menshov, Voronov, and Kovtun going to Euros as a skate off and the highest placed one goes to Worlds - Plushy ended up withdrawing anyways, had he been honest about his condition he would have not competed at all knowing it was unwise and he was hurt. The fed took a gamble deciding to send Kovtun over Menshov and so far it paid off at Euros but hasn't thus far at Worlds - that's it, arguably not the right call but it's a gamble either way. Tanking at Worlds is going to look worse for Menshov than it will for Kovtun anyways, in some respects, the Fed is saving Menshov from potential embarassment.
    Plushenko is a different category. He can win, even if he is injured, as it has already done several times in his career, for example at Euros in last year. So they could not to predict how severe will his injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Because it was Gachinski's fault in the first place there is only 1 man's entry
    Gachinski wasn't the only Russian man at Worlds last year.

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    But yeah, poor Kovtun. He didn't ask to be sent to Worlds; I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to be sent to Worlds. Throwing him into the bear pit and yelling "Two spots" isn't going to solve anything. He has such a nice demeanor, too--he should go far in this sport if they give him time. (Haha.)

    I'm not surprised that Leonova fell apart, if her performances this season were anything to judge by. I am surprised that she's not the lowest-ranked Russian lady. My heart broke for Liza... Her blade must've gotten caught on something for such a freak fall to happen. And her face afterwards...

    Good for Adelina for making the top ten, though. She'll need her Euros skate plus much more if she wants to save Russia from two-spot hell.

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    It is not so embarrassing fir kovtun personally I guess. He never earned his way to euros and took menshov's place so not testing him In anyway after euros is really the Russian federation embarrassment for sending a skater who would do a 3t-1t "combination" while if they sent someone who actually earned a place would be more embarrassing for the skater. But then really all the singles skaters have reason to be embarrassed because they have all done horribly and not respectably.

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    I think Adelina was underscored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    I think Adelina was underscored.
    Every Russian skater/team has been/will be underscored in this champ. If not, there will be cries of overscores and some others 'was robbed'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Plushenko is a different category. He can win, even if he is injured, as it has already done several times in his career, for example at Euros in last year. So they could not to predict how severe will his injury.
    Yes, this very much, and also as far as I know, there is no indication from the Russian Fed that Plushenko was not "honest about his condition"--in the sense of hiding information about it from them. After all, he earned his ticket to the Euros by winning the Russian Championships with this condition, and at the time, the problems with his spine was reported and talked about. (As it turned out, the true extent of the problem was only fully diagnosed after the European Championships: after he withdrew, Plushy was originally planning to return to training by March. He only learned afterwards that disc replacement was needed.)

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