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    Jenny Kirk interviews Tim Goebel

    Interview with Timothy Goebel

    Jenny Kirk & Dave Lease interview Tim at length about Frank Carroll, training with Michelle Kwan, about Michelle leaving Frank, about rooming with Johnny Weir on tour, about the over-training of quads at far too young an age that led to permanent physical damage, and about almost everything about his skating career.

    I found a lot of what Tim had to say very interesting.

    Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHw_wUA39_M
    Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sLRTwd-ORQ
    Part 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t960RAcMTzo
    Part 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWW4oeiCt3M
    Part 5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSqUNMHYJ30
    Part 6
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db1XweBA1eE
    Part 7
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo6wuqBdooA
    Part 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt-5PwUdUrw
    Part 9
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEKzhvnsPos
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Interview with Timothy Goebel

    Jenny Kirk & Dave Lease interview Tim at length about Frank Carroll, training with Michelle Kwan, about Michelle leaving Frank, about rooming with Johnny Weir on tour, about the over-training of quads at far too young an age that led to permanent physical damage, and about almost everything about his skating career.

    I found a lot of what Tim had to say very interesting.

    Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHw_wUA39_M
    Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sLRTwd-ORQ
    Part 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t960RAcMTzo
    Part 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWW4oeiCt3M
    Part 5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSqUNMHYJ30
    Part 6
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db1XweBA1eE
    Part 7
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo6wuqBdooA
    Part 8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt-5PwUdUrw
    Part 9
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEKzhvnsPos
    I LOVE their interviews and recaps. And this particular interview was one of their best ones.

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    Holy Moly! What a marvelously candid interview.

    Very interesting about how the top coaches demand not only a percentage of the skater's earnings form all sources, but also that even after they part company the coach still gets a cut of future earnings. There were always rumors, none substanmtiated by the principals, that this was what lay behind the split between Frank and Michelle. Michelle was in line to make millions off the Olympics and Frank wanted too much of it. (I don't know whether this is true or not, but there was a lot of speculation at the time.)

    Tim feels that the powers that be in USFS essentially predetermine who is going to win and place well at Nationals. But he saved his worst for TV commentators, especially Dick Button: biased, unprofessional, and doing serious damage to skaters' careers.

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    Thanks for these links! I'll watch them tomorrow.

    Math, I didn't know about that rumor about the split between Frank and Michelle. (In my defense, I wasn't on GS at that time...I depend on you guys for insights like that!) That gives me a whole new angle from which to look at that event. I suspect we'll never know for sure, because Michelle is uncommonly discreet, and Frank seems to be pretty close-mouthed as well.

    It sounds from your reporting as if Tim is not just forthright but somewhat bitter. It'll be fascinating to hear the videos.

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    I had to stop as Tim uses the word like 4 times a sentence. I wanted to see the real un pc tim but he's caewful. a great jumper-i liked him despite hunched shoulders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Holy Moly! What a marvelously candid interview.

    Very interesting about how the top coaches demand not only a percentage of the skater's earnings form all sources, but also that even after they part company the coach still gets a cut of future earnings. There were always rumors, none substanmtiated by the principals, that this was what lay behind the split between Frank and Michelle. Michelle was in line to make millions off the Olympics and Frank wanted too much of it. (I don't know whether this is true or not, but there was a lot of speculation at the time.)

    Tim feels that the powers that be in USFS essentially predetermine who is going to win and place well at Nationals. But he saved his worst for TV commentators, especially Dick Button: biased, unprofessional, and doing serious damage to skaters' careers.
    Top coaches for decades received percentages of the skater's earnings when they turned pro, so this was nothing new. Danny Kwan, Michelle's dad, had conversations with Frank, some about $$$ and some about control. So perhaps it was a bit of both, but I do know Frank was devastated when she broke off their coaching relationship. Frank and Michelle have mended whatever hard feelings existed and have a good relationship now.

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    What I found most interesting was Goebel's one word description of the skaters he knew.

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    Yes, I thought that was interesting too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKonas View Post
    Top coaches for decades received percentages of the skater's earnings when they turned pro, so this was nothing new. Danny Kwan, Michelle's dad, had conversations with Frank, some about $$$ and some about control.
    I think we forget this aspect of the coach-pupil relationship when we try to explain, for example, why someone as talented as Miki Ando has problems finding a coach or perhaps why Yuna and Orser parted ways. It also makes more sense why athletes would seek out politically-connected coaches, because the coaches are also incentivized to help the skater place high to earn endorsements, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I think we forget this aspect of the coach-pupil relationship when we try to explain, for example, why someone as talented as Miki Ando has problems finding a coach or perhaps why Yuna and Orser parted ways. It also makes more sense why athletes would seek out politically-connected coaches, because the coaches are also incentivized to help the skater place high to earn endorsements, etc.
    It’s nothing but indentured labor. I wonder if this issue also played a part in Rafael and Mao’s separation?

    I think gymnastics is a comparable sports to figure skating. I wonder if gymnastics coaches force their athletes to legally enslave themselves in exchange for being taught the secrets of the craft.

    I wonder if this is common practice only in North America? And I also wonder if this practice will soon die out, because the pro scene is dead, and it seems that many skaters leave amateur skating with bodies that are often too broken up for them to continue skating in shows anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Holy Moly! What a marvelously candid interview.

    Very interesting about how the top coaches demand not only a percentage of the skater's earnings form all sources, but also that even after they part company the coach still gets a cut of future earnings. There were always rumors, none substanmtiated by the principals, that this was what lay behind the split between Frank and Michelle. Michelle was in line to make millions off the Olympics and Frank wanted too much of it. (I don't know whether this is true or not, but there was a lot of speculation at the time.)

    Tim feels that the powers that be in USFS essentially predetermine who is going to win and place well at Nationals. But he saved his worst for TV commentators, especially Dick Button: biased, unprofessional, and doing serious damage to skaters' careers.
    Hmm. I'm not sure how a commentator can "do damage to a skater's career," unless the skater watches videos of their programs and is emotionally hurt by the commentator's comments. Goebel skated in the days before YouTube. Would athletes get serious negative publicity due to commentator comments?

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