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Jenny Kirk interviews Tim Goebel

heyang

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Well, Frank fired Chris Bowman on TV, pretty much, and their strained relationship was commented on by the TV crew as having been evident all week. Chris had, of course, given him plenty of reason to fire him, and for the relationship to be strained, but I get the impression that when Frank's had enough, he's had enough.

Tim acknowledged that it was time for him & Frank to part ways; it's just that Frank's timing was unprofessional, IMO. It's clear that Tim's health had deteriorated to the point that I'm sure he was not a joy for Frank to teach, nor was it a joy for Tim to deal with Frank either, I suspect.

I was going to mention the same. Tim acknowledged that the 'firing' was appropriate; just not the timing. Tim clearly felt that he was being pushed aside for Evan, but considering that he was missing practices for weeks at a time, should Frank have sat around twiddling his thumbs? Tim's feelings might have also caused a barrier to go up between them. While I agree that the timing was poor, we also don't know why Frank chose that time - maybe he felt that the contention between the 2 of them was having a detrimental impact on his other coaching experiences??? Also, the signs were likely there, but Tim wasn't ready to make the break while Frank was - how many times do people in romantic relationships say 'I didn't see that break up coming' but can look back later and see the signs. Without hearing Frank's side, it's not fair to judge him as the only villian.

I found it interesting that no one seems to have had any inkling of Michelle's dropping Frank. No sign of tension, at all. It was nice to hear that Frank and Michelle are still friends, as Tim mentioned that Frank and Michelle got together for dinner,etc. after the split.
 

jenaj

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Well, no. Skaters don’t really have a choice do they? Otherwise, Miki, for example, shouldn’t have any trouble finding a coach.

Or rather, it’s probably more accurate to say that skaters don’t have a choice that they should have. Either agree to the practice of indenturing themselves to famous coaches who possess the necessary technical and political skills set, or choose to foreclose your career, because without such a coach, you will develop ‘bad’ technique and/or injure yourself, and even if you miraculously acquire ‘textbook’ technique and stay healthy enough to compete, you don’t have the political backing to get the GOE and PCS that you might deserve, and so your chances of landing on the podium is likely to be less than what it would be with a famous coach. :rolleye:

It must be that there have been and are amazing natural figure skating talents in America who chose/choose not to embark on a path of seeking Olympic glory because they see what the deal is and they choose to stop figure skating and start spending that time educating themselves in other careers.

I doubt if the top or most talented skaters feel "indentured" to any coach. The skaters, after all, are the employers. I think there is probably a wide variation in how coaches are paid. Maybe Frank Carroll can command a share of a skater's earnings, but he is probably the exception, not the rule. (And I also think that Michelle probably had a better deal with him than Tim did. I would think most coaches would reduce their rates to coach a Michelle Kwan). The whole concept of a coach--who is really a paid employee--"firing" his student is kind of mind-boggling. Only in figure skating...
 
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Chris Bowman was a different situation for a variety of reasons. Carroll had coached him since he was a kid, and Bowman was really going off the rails by the time Carroll walked away. Carroll has said (can't recall where) that he had a special relationship with Bowman, kind of father/son, and it was a very painful situation for him when he had to terminate himself as Bowman's coach. He said that he never wanted to get that emotionally caught up with a skater again. Chris probably was part of a good many relationships like that, both in skating and in life (remember that Toller coached him for a time); he was charming and clearly warm when healthy (let us use a charitable word) but inevitably wrecked things by his various varieties of bad behavior.
 

dorispulaski

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Exactly.

And if Frank was willing to behave like a petulant twit on TV (dramatically in public) with someone he had a father/son relationship with (Bowman) publicly making it clear Bowman was fired, I don't doubt that Frank fired Tim in private when Tim said he was fired. Tim has said this before and Frank never contradicted it.

I wouldn't mind hearing what Frank had to say about why he fired Tim, but since Tim agreed he needed to be fired, that would just add detail, not substance, to the discussion.

YMMV.
 
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