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I just wrote out a nice long post about how happy I was and all the good things that they did and it got eaten. Boo.
No links to video yet? I cannot wait to see all 3 of the men. I was also one of the fortunate to be in Greensboro in 2011 and I was standing with everyone else and became an enormous fan. Live is the way to appreciate the quality of Jason's skating. I spoke to him at a holiday event in NY and he could not have been any nicer.
I believe that if you post after you lose a post, it might not be there, though.
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Exciting event, but I just realized something: Keiji Tanaka wasn't present at this event.
Excuse my ranting, but WHY IS THERE A LIMIT OF THREE SPOTS FOR A COUNTRY THAT'S DOMINATING LIKE JAPAN?!
And the three spots limit is good. It's hard enough for skaters from countries like Australia to make it to these things as it is, why make it harder for us poor little minnows just because one country is strong?
And I suppose the other question is, would you still be calling for it if, say, it was the US or Russia that was strong?
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MEN'S FREE SKATE - RESULT & VIDEOS
1. Joshua FARRIS (USA) - 228.32 Free Skate
2. Jason BROWN (USA) - 224.15 Free Skate
3. Shotaro OMORI (USA) - 204.34 Free Skate
4. Boyang JIN (CHN) - 192.58 Free Skate
5. Michael Christian MARTINEZ (PHI) - 191.64 Free Skate
6. Mikhail KOLYADA (RUS) - 189.94 Free Skate
7. Shoma UNO (JPN) - 187.08 Free Skate
8. Alexander SAMARIN (RUS) - 186.96 Free Skate
9. He ZHANG (CHN) - 178.18 Free Skate
10. Ryuju HINO (JPN) - 176.85 Free Skate
11. Martin RAPPE (GER) - 174.32 Free Skate
12. Nam NGUYEN (CAN) - 172.58
13. June Hyoung LEE (KOR) - 166.21
14. Pavel IGNATENKO (BLR) - 165.27 Free Skate
15. Luiz MANELLA (BRA) - 161.71
Last edited by Mao88; 03-02-2013 at 08:16 PM.
Let's try not to lose it this time.
I'm a neutral on the Josh vs Jason argument, I'm not going to go there, because I love them both, and all I wanted was a 1-2. The order didn't especially bother me. And I can't make a call without having seen their long programs yet, but Josh's SP was certainly of a high calibre and a worthy champion's SP.
After Turkey I remember saying (not here I don't think, but to others) that I didn't think the judges liked Jason's Prince SP very much. I think that's reflected in the PCS scores he gets for it - not as high as for Grand Guignol last season. Personally I hate that SP, I hate the music, I hate the costume, but of course Jason skates it very well. There were two mistakes in the SP that cost him - not just the combo, but then the too-far-over layover camel in the final combo spin that he almost lost control of. He only got level 3 for that, and for his step sequence as well, whereas Josh got all 4s. That sort of thing makes a big difference. If you look at his SP last season, he got a 70.80 for it at JWC, and that was with a 2A. With a clean 3A I was expecting that to score 73-74 at least, but the judges didn't like it. At any rate, I'm glad that that was probably the last outing for that SP.
His LP, however...now there's a program I would be happy to see re-used. I wondered how it would go, when I first heard he was using Liebestraume. I didn't think it would compare with Ilia Kulik's Liebestraume which is my standard for that music - but I think Jason's is just divine, even beats Ilia's for beauty. I loved watching it evolve through the season. I knew it would be a big-scorer if he went clean on it, which he never did until now. The judges seemed to like it too. But a 154...that blew me out of the water. I could hardly believe it! I really can't wait to see it. Anyone who's seen it...did he keep the beautiful spiral into the 3Lz with his foot above his head?
As for Josh, just wow! He was really on it from the start of this event. I'm so happy for him. I think he was a lot more disappointed than he was letting on about his half-point lost last year, especially since he left points on the table in a couple of places. I'm so pleased he went for it. Shame about the fall on the 4T, he hasn't landed that in competition since Lake Placid, but at least he's getting the full rotations on them and going for them hard. His 3A is so rock solid it's unbelievable. He really has an almost Russian jump technique, which is the highest compliment I can give!
I'm in two minds about his self-choreography, however. I love the programs, the last two seasons have been great, but between Clair de Lune, Bach and Rach, I think he needs to lay off the classical for a while. Or at least have one program where he changes things up and skates to something a bit more "up". I'm certainly inclined to attribute a large part of his artistic improvement since he left Tom Z to his freedom to choreograph (and I think it was an inspired decision by Damon Allen to let Josh do it), but I don't think it would kill him if he had a different choreographer next season. I'd hate to see him go down the Abbott path of "tortured artist".
I'm sure Joshua and Jason are very very happy right now. Hopefully they found some kind of dairy-free gelato or something! It really is thrilling to see them achieve a 1-2 on the world stage, and I can't wait to see them rip up the Senior circuit.
The judges loved it. he got +1.30 GOE on it. Seven out of the nine judges gave it a +2.
ETA: The judges, on the whole, really liked this program. Josh actually had a 6.41 BV advantage due to putting in the quad and doing major back loading on the program. But Jason actually outdid Josh on +GOE. Jason got +8.22 in GOE including four elements over 1.00 (3A (yay!), 3Z, combo spin and step sequence) vs +3.48 for Josh and two elements with more than 1.00 GOE (on his two 3As.).
That combo botchup in the short did really cost Jason. Between the lost BV (2.80) and the -GOE (1.20) that was exactly four points. Had he done it as he usually does with a minimum amount of GOE (.18 to be precise) he would have won.
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I'm impressed by Brown. From not having 3A last year, to landing 3/3 here. With + GOE, too.
I was impressed by him when I saw him in SJ last year. He's really special. Special skater. I love his footwork, his transitions.
He should beat Josh in PCS in the SP as well. Oh well, there's a bright future for Brown if he can continue to improve his TES. 2 3x3 combo in the bonus round, how cool is that.
I don't want people to think of me as a Jason hater because that certainly is not the case, I admire his talent and like his personality. Tastes differ and everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. I just felt he deservedly placed 2nd at this competition and that ubers saying he totally gave the title away with the SP might not have been looking at the bigger picture. Anyways, to me, Josh fits the mold of how young promising male figure skating stars have generally skated and looked like in the past...idk if it's the ponytail, blue velor outfits, or the gumby moves but Jason's skating does not carry the same kind of masculinity as Josh for me and for whatever reason, I associate masculinity with power so in my mind, I associate Josh as being a more powerful skater than Jason which I think should be reflected in part of the PCS mark and why I think they deserve to have comparable PCS. I get that isn't the most PC thing to say and Jason's flexy moves probably require a ton of strength and power, it perhaps more speaks to the fact that watching him, I am not reminded of past skaters and his skating represents something very new and unique which I am not used to. Perhaps he will set the new standard for men's figure skating in years to come, he certainly has the ability, and if that is the case I think I will become a bigger fan of his in the future. But for now, I guess he's a bit of a very talented enigma for me, whereas watching Josh skate I see similarities to young Boitano, Lysacek, Buttle. But anyways, I'm just so glad they all delivered!!