I agree with you about Satoko--she may not have big, impressive jumps, but everything else is just beautiful!!
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I agree with you about Satoko--she may not have big, impressive jumps, but everything else is just beautiful!!
Oh yes.
(Btw, Technical Controller Ms. Sissy KRICK - from USA, Technical Specialist Mr. Makoto OKAZAKI - from Japan).
And now FS fans in Russia want to see this Tachnical Panel at Worlds.
It will be very interesting, if all the visible URs will be also in Protocols.
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I think your first sentence and the rest of your post do not line up.
As long as they are all age eligible, they are entitled to participate in this competition. The PCS criteria are all clearly defined and everyone is subject to the same rules. If Cesario executed a piece of choreography well (around 7 in each PCS), then she should be marked accordingly, regardless of her age. If Anna P failed to execute a piece of choreography well (around 6.25 in each PCS), then she should be marked accordingly, regardless of her age too. You don't "forgive" a skater for being gawky and skating through the music just because she is young, you mark accordingly to her performance, regardless of her age. If enough of those skaters were in the competition, that would be the general PCS standard and TES would determine the winner. But that doesn't mean someone strong in PCS should suffer.
In Nagano, 15 year old Lipinski skated next to 25 year old Butyrskaya and guess what, Lipinski won on the second mark because she was better in that aspect. Butyrskaya was mature but she was also stiff. So there, age has nothing to do with it. So can we please keep in mind this somewhat crazy idea that judges should mark what they see only, without the need to check the skater's ID card?
Cesario simply skated better than Anna P, many of us are just confused because the PCS of those two simply did not (or did not sufficiently) reflect the difference in their skating quality.
IMO age has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's just very much a repeat of 2008 Worlds with Kostner vs Nakano.
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Well, I am very interested to see how Anna Pogorilaya does next year; she's had an amzing season this year, and her Exhibition to a Tango was just stunning. I love her competitive spirit.
I'm interested to see if Cesario gets a GP invite, and am interested to see whether her jumps continue to improve. I remember her from Liberty competition before her injuries, and she rotates them much better now; I hope to see still more improvement. She's got the height in her jumps. I hope she goes to a jump specialist like Arutunian or Krall over the summer to improve them just a tiny bit more so she gets the full rotation every time without question. She skated the very best she could for 2 programs here at Junior Worlds, and I truly respect that.
I'm interested to see if Cesario gets a GP invite, and am interested to see whether her jumps continue to improve. I remember her from Liberty competition before her injuries, and she rotates them much better now; I hope to see still more improvement. She's got the height in her jumps. I hope she goes to a jump specialist like Arutunian or Krall over the summer to improve them just a tiny bit more so she gets the full rotation every time without question. She skated the very best she could for 2 programs here at Junior Worlds, and I truly respect that.
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With regard to getting the half loops not called, I disagree with this as they were clearly short and it's "only" a single rotation jump (I say it like that because 1/2 loops are tricky animals in that the timing has to be perfect or else they are short rotation and/or the next element won't "go") and both were quite obvious on first viewing short, but with regard to some of the other elements as called, yes, they were picky.
And what about Courtney, who always had good jumps?
Did she restore after injury?
Can she progress?
She is more mature now, and her face is more beautiful (it was a problem for her - ugly face).
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because she dyed her hair blonde
Not only this - she grows, face changes.
Since when is a skater's face a "problem" in figure skating?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Many think Scott Moir is goodlooking, but IMO he resembles Pinocchio!
I don't think Samantha Cesario will get a GP invitation. She will be at best #46 on the World Ranking list after old data is removed. She is currently #23 on the Seasons Best list; Meite, Leonova and Helgesson are right below her, and if two of them hit a Seasons Best total score at Worlds, she will be out of the top 24. She could be near the top of the substitute list, though.
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Samantha has two of the requirements for being on an invite list:
1. She is pleasant to watch and doesn't fall a lot
2. She will not beat the local girls.
Think Caroline Zhang
Also she may get the Skate America invite.
1. She is pleasant to watch and doesn't fall a lot
2. She will not beat the local girls.
Think Caroline Zhang
Also she may get the Skate America invite.
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It doesn't but beauty in figure skating garners you much attention and a plus I think ( think beauty pcs Korpii)
come to think of it, most elite FS are gorgeous
Moir is good looking ?? umm No he is not considered by most as such
Always.
Nice face, like Korpi, is advantage. Not so nice - disadvantage.
Judges are also people, general impression playes some role.
This season even Jenna MCCORKELL (46th in Season Best list of past season) had a GP Event.
In Olympic season substitutes may be more than in non-Olympic. Top skaters will WD from GP if GP makes even not so serious, but problem to be ready for Olympics.
Remember that Samantha is not eligible for JGP at next season, so GP Event does not conflict with anything.
And her chance for 4CC or Worlds is not too high, so she may have Season Best (and chance to GP at season 2014/15) only at GP Event.
Though since it's an Olympic year -- she may have better chance to go to 4CC because who ever ends up on the Olympic team will definitely likely skip 4CC. If we get three spots, then that means who ever finishes 4-6 will likely end up at 4CC.
McCorkell got a GP event as a substitute, not an original invitation. Many host federations tend to select as substitutes skaters who won't pose a threat to their own skaters. That's why Nagasu sat on top of the substitute list for almost the entire GP season, until NHK.
Samantha could be selected for a Skate America host pick, or she could get a substitute spot, or even both. It is true that there may be many more withdrawals in an Olympic season because some skaters won't want to lose to close competitors in the early season. IMO, we may see more 'injuries' or 'illnesses' in the 2013-2014 GP.
Samantha could be selected for a Skate America host pick, or she could get a substitute spot, or even both. It is true that there may be many more withdrawals in an Olympic season because some skaters won't want to lose to close competitors in the early season. IMO, we may see more 'injuries' or 'illnesses' in the 2013-2014 GP.
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My guess is that she will do a Senior B early on.
If she finishes well, she'll get the SA invite.
This is true. Anyone going to Olympics will definitely skip 4CCs. 4CCs is a stretch always, being so close to US nationals, and then Olympics right afterward...too too exhausting IMO
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It's one thing if you want to argue that Samantha's jumps should not have been marked as UR, however, given that most of her jumps were marked down, she would have needed a 6 point margin in PCS to beat Anna for the bronze. So while I agree she deserves higher PCS, she already got PCS that were 3 points higher than Anna in the FS and I really do not think Samantha's skating in the FS warraned PCS of 58+. Keep in mind this is a junior competition, and PCS are never all that high, 58 PCS is what skaters like Mirai, Christina, Kaetlyn, Kanako, and Gracie get for a pretty good FS performance at international competitions, and to me Samantha is not on their level, and again, 58 in a junior competition is practically unheard of. Looking at the protocol, I think Anna's PCS were fair and so was her TES, I know her execution wasn't the cleanest but should she really be penilized for landing 7 rotated triple jumps and holding her spins for the proper number of rotations? The jumps she had issues on the landings with got -GOE and her components were in the low 6s which I think is appropriate. Anna was also arguably underscored in the SP where she had a clean 3lz-3t combo, a similar program earned her nearly 58 points at the JGPF. So in the end, I think it would have been fine to give Samantha a bit higher components in the FS, say high 6s up to low 7s instead of mid-6s, but the bottom line is to beat Pogorilaya she would have needed PCS solidly in the 7s which I think is too high given the other girls' marks.
Also I sort of doubt there was any kind of rigging in the judging going on. Pogorilaya was clearly the 3rd ranked Russian coming into the event, she came out of nowhere and no one had even heard of her last season. No kind of reputation judging was going on. I think the criticism of her skating is also unjustified, she medaled at every international competition she's competed in this season and has showed impressive consistency for a 14 year old suddenly thrown into high level competitions and putting up very good results. To me her jumps look high and I think she has pretty good basics and nice speed and intensity to her skating. Her movement is not awkward, she's just all legs right now which gives her a gangly look on the ice, but that will change and she can't help that anyways. Watch her gala program, she's a very talented skater, very passionate and expressive.
In any event, I like Samantha and hope we see her at Skate America. I just don't think she was robbed here and really warrants PCS of 58+ at this point. She needs to work on rotating her jumps and holding her spins - that's the bottom line, she does that and she should do very well.
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See Season Best table http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2011-12/sbtslto.htm
All Ladies who wanted (did not WD or prefer JGP or injuried) had two GP Events except Rachael FLATT (38 place) and Kaetlyn OSMOND (41 place), for places from 1 to 42 in Season Best score.
Flatt also would have second GP Event if skating better at her first.
Osmond - too, if she would not be so overscored and overplaced in Canada (I believe it was a joint action of Japanese, Russian and Japanese Federation to give not her place at NHK).
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I honestly don't think such a picky technical panel will benefit this sport, in terms of popularity. The ideal scenario would be the one who skated clean(and with good technical content) to place as high as possible. Imagine this technical panel at Vancouver and downgrading Mao's 3Axels(the one in the SP and one in the LP were clean but the other one was close, could have gone both ways, but I think the decision to credit her was good for the sport).
I can understand how point wise, at least technically, Samantha was off the podium. But when looking at how top 4 skated overall I think something is wrong with the system/ how the system is being used if Sam didn't medal. I don't want the same thing to happen at worlds
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