It's just so interesting if Russia did not have a gp maybe only one Russian skater would get two gp events in the season they host the olympics!
What would Song need to place at Worlds to get more points than he got for finishing 6th at 4CC? I thought it needed to be pretty high, so unless he skates really well, I don't think Worlds is likely to help his WS, because only one ISU championship per season counts toward WS right?
Originally Posted by Jaana
Song earned 496 points at 4CC. To place higher than Jason Brown on the WS list, he'd have to finish 6th at Worlds (709 points).
Totally not impossible. On a really great day Song can impress. But I feel momentum is working against him right now.
Originally Posted by chuckm
Just to throw it out, if the new Development Trophy is calculated to the standing then Martinez (who will pretty much win) will have a chance at the top 24 wouldn't he?
I"m not sure if the event would even count since it's a Free Skating only competition. I doubt it would count for any ranking points.
Originally Posted by mylastduchess
The WDT events are for Juniors and Novices. The WDT announcements for upcoming WDT events make no mention of awarding points, so it seems ISU awards ranking points for JGP and Junior Worlds only.
Uh? Menshov and Kovtun appear in both Top 24 SB and WS plus the later has good chances of making top 12 at worlds. Then Voronov is safe among the SB and will finish around 25-26th in the WS so I think those three will get 2 events regardles of where they are from a Host fed or not.
Originally Posted by gmyers
Unless of course Russian fed screws Menshov again and "retire" him by not submitting his name like they did with Sokolova a few years ago.
Sorry to ask what may seem like silly questions about the Grand Prix assignments, but I don't know much about it. Are the assignments decided based on the season's best lists or the world rankings lists? What happens when skaters have taken seasons off or are returning from injury and aren't on said lists. This applies less to the men, but I was wondering how things might work if Lysacek, Weir, Ando, Kim, and Czisny come back next year and want to skate on the circuit. Are there wild card/discretionary entries for each federation that hosts an event?
Czisny placed 5th at Worlds 2011, then was injured in 2012 and skated badly. She had surgery in the summer of 2012 and did opt for one 2012 GP event but withdrew because she wasn't ready. Then she was injured again. I'm not sure if she qualifies under the 'returning from injury' clause.
As already mentioned, Weir and Ando used up their one-time-only card. Lysacek blew his chance in the 2011-2012 GP, when he was scheduled for 2 events but withdrew.
There was once a rule that JGPF and JW medalists were guaranteed one event, but since the reduction in the number of singles and ice dance entries, that guarantee was phased out.
When there are withdrawals from the original invitations, there is a substitute list based on the Seasons Best list of the previous year. Substitutes are drawn from the top 5 on the list who have only one GP invitation or none as yet, but the selection is not necessarily done in list order. Some host federations will choose the skater who offers the least competition to their own skaters.
Thanks for all that info!
Originally Posted by SamuraiKike
To be honest i'm glad Johnny can't apply for two GP events next season. He wasn't very competitive when he did skate. Give Josh or Jason two GP events instead they deserve them and are the future of US men's skating. Why waste GP spots on skaters who might or might now even compete next season?
Originally Posted by chuckm
Bumping this thread up so people can discuss the U.S. Men + GP selection. (and other countries as well)
Top 30 SB
1 274.87 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
2 269.40 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
3 267.78 Patrick CHAN CAN World Championships 2013 15.03.2013
4 266.48 Denis TEN KAZ World Championships 2013 15.03.2013
5 264.29 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
6 253.27 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
7 250.55 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 09.02.2013
8 250.53 Florent AMODIO FRA European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
9 243.52 Michal BREZINA CZE European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
10 238.36 Max AARON USA World Championships 2013 15.03.2013
11 238.34 Nobunari ODA JPN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 27.10.2012
12 236.92 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN ISU GP Cup of China 2012 03.11.2012
13 235.37 Ross MINER USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
14 235.22 Han YAN CHN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 09.02.2013
15 234.18 Takahito MURA JPN World Championships 2013 15.03.2013
16 234.04 Richard DORNBUSH USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 09.02.2013
17 232.47 Brian JOUBERT FRA European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
18 228.46 Nan SONG CHN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 09.02.2013
19 228.32 Joshua FARRIS USA World Junior Championships 2013 02.03.2013
20 227.63 Jeremy ABBOTT USA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012
21 226.57 Maxim KOVTUN RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
22 224.15 Jason BROWN USA World Junior Championships 2013 02.03.2013
23 223.72 Konstantin MENSHOV RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
24 222.00 Nathan CHEN USA ISU JGP Austria 2012 15.09.2012
25 217.61 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP Cup of China 2012 03.11.2012
26 216.84 Peter LIEBERS GER World Championships 2013 15.03.2013
27 216.60 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN World Championships 2013 15.03.2013
28 211.88 Alexander MAJOROV SWE European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
29 210.47 Adam RIPPON USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
30 209.84 Artur GACHINSKI RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
Impressive that Nathan Chen's score from JGP in Sept. still managed to stay in the top 24!
Here's the list of GP 'guarantees' for the men, which includes Worlds 2013 results. The World Rankings list has been purged to remove 2010-2011 points and reduce 2011-2012 points to 70% of their value.
Top 12 at Worlds 2013, guaranteed two spots each (top 6 are seeded):
Skaters who are top 24 on Worlds Ranking and/or Seasons Best list are guaranteed at least one event. The lists below do not include skaters who finished top 12 at Worlds.
Top 24 on World Ranking AND Seasons Best:
Top 24 on World Ranking list only:
Top 24 on Seasons Best only:
Nathan Chen (JGP)