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    Jenni Saarinen

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    Since Nicky Slater reckons that she is a star for the future, I thought I would get in early and start a fan thread for Jenni Saarinen!

    OK, so the fact that I have a specific question I want to ask about her might have something to do with it too...

    Ever since I saw Jenni’s name on the entry list for the 2013 Junior Worlds, I have been wondering something:

    Does anybody know if Jenni is in any way related to the (still much-missed) Finnish motorbike racer Jarno Saarinen?

    Jarno Saarinen was the 250cc World Champion in 1972, and is still the only Finn to win a tarmac motorcycle world championship. But he died the following year in a crash during the Italian Grand Prix at Monza.

    As I wasn’t born until 12 years after his accident, I don’t know anything about Jarno’s family. So, I don’t know if he managed to have any children, or if he had any siblings, that Jenni might be descended from.

    Now, I know from her ISU Bio that Jenni is originally from Espoo, while Jarno was from Turku. Although the 2 towns are 100 miles apart, that is not much in a country as large as Finland. So, it might be possible that they are related in some way.

    On the other hand, in a country with as small a population as Finland’s, it is possible that Saarinen is a very common surname! So, it might be just coincidence.

    I just don’t know enough about Finland to judge whether it is plausible.

    So, can anybody shed any light on the matter?

    Before I go, may I just congratulate Jenni on her results in Junior Worlds. She was the youngest girl in the competition, so to finish 14th overall out of such a big field was brilliant! Considering she is so young, her performances in both the Short (19th/45) and the Free (13th/24) were very impressive.

    OK, so she is not yet in the same league as Elena Radionova or Annabelle Prölß, who were born in the same year but are already big stars. But the potential is there...

    CaroLiza_fan


    Update: June 2015

    Summary

    Jenni Saarinen was born in Espoo, Finland, in March 1999. She is managed by 2009 European Champion Laura Lepistö, who was also born in Espoo.

    Jenni has been competing on the international circuit since the 2011-12 season, when she was competing at Advanced Novice level. In December 2011, she finished a credible 4th in her international debut at the NRW Trophy in Germany. In February 2012, she won her first international medal when she won the silver at the Nordic Championships, held that year in Finland. And then, a month later, Jenni came back from 5th in the SP to win her first international gold medal at the Coupe du Printemps in Luxembourg.

    She moved up to Junior level in the 2012-13 season, and instantly made her mark by winning the gold at the Ice Star in Minsk. This was followed by a bronze at the Coupe de Nice, a gold at the Finnish Championships, and a gold at the Nordic Championships. Towards the end of the season, Jenni made her debut at the Junior World Championships in Italy, where she finished 14th.

    The 2013-14 was to be even more successful. At the start of the season, Jenni appeared at 2 Junior Grand Prix events. She was 4th in the SP at the Baltic Cup, and 6th in the SP at Czech Skate. Unfortunately, multiple falls in the Free Skates at both events dropped her down the order. But, she still managed to finish in the top 10 overall at both events.

    She quickly bounced back from any disappointment, though, by having a clean sweep of 1st places at the Finnish Championships, followed by a gold in one of the Junior competitions at the Bavarian Open, and then another clean sweep of 1st places at the Nordic Championships (where she also achieved her international PB). She also improved her overall position at Junior Worlds, finishing 13th.

    This season (2014-15) has been a transitional year for Jenni, as she has been competing in Junior and Senior events.

    At the start of the season, she finished 9th in both her Junior Grand Prix appearances. She was actually 3rd in the SP at the Japanese round, but any chances of a podium were undone by FOUR falls in the FS.

    But, she quickly bounced back in the senior competitions that followed, with 5th at the Finlandia, a bronze at the Volvo Open in Latvia, and a silver at the Finnish Championships. Significantly, she was 1st in the SP at the Volvo Open, and only Kiira Korpi was above her in all the results tables at Nationals. Returning to Juniors, she finished 4th at the EYOF in Austria, and then repeated her 13th position from the previous season at Junior Worlds (albeit with a lower score).

    Finally, Jenni capped off the season by winning her first senior gold medal at the Nordics. The interesting thing to note here is that she did not win either segment – she was 2nd in both the SP and the FS. But, it was different skaters that won each segment. So, it was actually Jenni’s consistency that won her the competition.

    If Jenni can continue to be consistent like this, rather than having wildly different positions in each segment (like she has done at every Junior Grand Prix she has competed at), then we have the makings of a very good skater.

    And having Laura Lepistö in her corner will be a great help for Jenni.

    Over the past decade, Kiira Korpi and Laura Lepistö have had a lot of success. But despite this, things were looking very worrying for Finnish Skating as, for a long time there, it looked like there was nobody to succeed them.

    Well, there is now!


    Biographical Info

    ISU Bio:
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00034234.htm

    FFSA Bio:
    http://www.stll.fi/luistelijalle/hui...enni-saarinen/

    Stats On Ice Bio:
    https://statsonice.com/skater/Jenni/Saarinen/

    Tracings.net Bio:
    http://www.tracings.net/saar-jenn.html

    Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenni_Saarinen

    Website:
    http://www.jennisaarinen.com/en/


    Social Media

    Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/JenniSaarinenFigureskater


    Programmes


    2014-15 Season
    SP: “Flamenco” by Ikuko Kawai
    FS: “El Falso Delphos”, “L'Atelier”, “Nas Ruas De Lisboa”, and “Una Maquina De Escribir” (all from “El Tiempo Entre Costuras”) by Cesar Benito
    EX:

    2013-14 Season
    SP: “Flamenco” by Ikuko Kawai
    FS: “Solitary Hill”, “Canon in D” by Johann Pachelbel, and “Wind”
    EX:

    2012-13 Season
    SP: “To The Fair” (from “Beauty And The Beast”) by Alan Menken, and “The Euphorium” (from “Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium”) by Alexandre Desplat
    FS: “Pop Quiz And The Time Machine Montage” by Danny Elfman, and “Fairytale”
    by Harry Gregson-Williams, John Powell
    EX:

    2011-12 Season
    SP:
    FS:
    EX:


    Personal Best Scores

    ISU

    Date Competition Score
    Short Programme 04 February 2015 ISU World Junior Championships 55.43
    Free Skate 30 August 2014 ISU Junior Grand Prix Ljubljana Cup 93.11
    Overall 02–05 Oct. 2013 ISU Junior Grand Prix Czech Skate 142.98

    International

    Date Competition Score
    Short Programme 27 February 2014 Nordic Championships (Junior) 51.89
    Free Skate 15 February 2015 Nordic Championships 95.98
    Overall 11–15 Feb. 2015 Nordic Championships 146.07

    National

    Date Competition Score
    Short Programme 14 December 2013 Finnish Junior Championships 57.17
    Free Skate 21 December 2014 Finnish Championships 104.19
    Overall 19–21 Dec. 2014 Finnish Championships 157.00


    Competitive History

    Date Competition SP FS Overall
    Pos Score Pos Score Pos Score
    201415 Season
    11–15 Feb. 2015 Nordic Championships 2 50.09 2 95.98 1 146.07
    03–08 Feb. 2015 ISU World Junior Championships 8 55.43 15 84.07 13 139.50
    25–30 Jan. 2015 Winter European Youth Olympic Festival 8 43.69 3 85.24 4 128.93
    19–21 Dec. 2014 Finnish Championships 2 52.81 2 104.19 2 157.00
    05–09 Nov. 2014 Volvo Open Cup 1 50.05 4 91.25 3 141.30
    09 – 12 Oct. 2014 Finlandia Trophy 6 48.55 4 95.61 5 144.16
    10–14 Sep. 2014 ISU Junior Grand Prix Nagoya TV Cup 3 55.20 12 74.24 9 129.44
    27–30 Aug. 2014 ISU Junior Grand Prix Ljubljana Cup 10 43.21 6 93.11 9 136.32
    201314 Season
    10–16 Mar. 2014 ISU World Junior Championships 8 53.76 13 87.26 13 141.02
    27 Feb. – 02 Mar. 2014 Nordic Championships (Junior) 1 51.89 1 97.89 1 149.78
    29 Jan. – 02 Feb. 2014 Bavarian Open (Junior Ladies I) 2 45.32 1 90.82 1 136.14
    13–15 Dec. 2013 Finnish Junior Championships 1 57.17 1 96.91 1 154.08
    02–05 Oct. 2013 ISU Junior Grand Prix Czech Skate 6 54.98 11 88.00 7 142.98
    18–21 Sep. 2013 ISU Junior Grand Prix Baltic Cup 4 46.85 11 70.78 10 117.63
    201213 Season
    25 Feb. – 03 Mar. 2013 ISU World Junior Championships 19 44.95 13 84.86 14 129.81
    31 Jan. – 03 Feb. 2013 Nordic Championships (Junior) 2 46.30 1 88.95 1 135.25
    19–21 Dec. 2012 Finnish Junior Championships 2 44.95 1 93.69 1 138.64
    24–28 Oct. 2012 Coupe de Nice (Junior) 4 45.01 3 87.09 3 132.10
    Oct. 2012 Finnish Junior Championships 1st Qualifying 42.64 51.05 2 93.69
    07–09 Sep. 2012 Ice Star (Junior) 2 44.24 1 84.37 1 128.61
    201112 Season
    16–18 Mar. 2012 Coupe du Printemps (Novice) 5 32.97 1 66.48 1 99.45
    09–12 Feb. 2012 Nordic Championships (Novice) 3 36.33 2 64.12 2 100.45
    Jan. 2012 Finnish Junior Championships 2nd Qualifying
    29 Nov. – 04 Dec. 2011 NRW Trophy (Novice) 4 40.05 5 59.70 4 99.75
    201011 Season
    26 Feb. 2011 Tampere Competition 2
    06 Dec. 2010 Santa Claus Competition 2


    Videos

    201415 Season

    6th March 2015: Junior World Championships FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6AhoTTA2yU/

    21st December 2014: Finnish Championships FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJCw0o3hI8Y
    20th December 2014: Finnish Championships SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWhbiu-ZEPo

    11th October 2014: Finlandia Trophy FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t8a_4yEdEY
    10th October 2014: Finlandia Trophy SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxy3yws1K1A

    13th September 2014: Nagoya TV Cup FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mvJ--nwQhY
    12th September 2014: Nagoya TV Cup SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oFE43tPsT8

    30th August 2014: Ljubljana Cup FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFXueNcal6U
    28th August 2014: Ljubljana Cup SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CPB0JyjwTo


    201314 Season

    16th March 2014: Junior World Championships FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pADFbao4erY
    14th March 2014: Junior World Championships SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuBUfcWRfhI

    15th December 2013: Finnish Championships FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8etkXgvvg

    5th October 2013: Czech Skate FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3d0hloAFWY
    3rd October 2013: Czech Skate SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVKLmJXPfq8

    20th September 2013: Baltic Cup FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W7zXyRbyUs
    19th September 2013: Baltic Cup SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YYYpXXQrFg


    201213 Season

    1st March 2013: Junior World Championships FS (British Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oFE43tPsT8

    1st February 2013: Nordic Championships SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uoz0RFUuis

    October 2012: Finnish Championships 1st Qualifying FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMPqJzEyrg8
    October 2012: Finnish Championships 1st Qualifying SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEqelTb4G_s

    September 2012: Ice Star FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbsDni3u21g
    September 2012: Ice Star FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC1qNuHvCTg


    201112 Season

    11th February 2012: Nordic Championships FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgEGo_ku1XM
    11th February 2012: Nordic Championships FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_59-PxisY
    9th February 2012: Nordic Championships SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ-mYzR1Ux4

    January 2012: Finnish Championships 2nd Qualifying FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q3sFeQVzQg

    1st December 2011: NRW Trophy FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFQDTDZLbAM
    30th November 2011: NRW Trophy SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaW6xKQ55Wo


    201011 Season

    12th March 2011: Finnish Championships SP (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwBL2PpeCss

    26th February 2011: Tampere Competition (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZfeshWpB6A

    6th December 2010: Santa Claus Competition FS (No Commentary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNjLSsjlrbM


    Other Videos

    8th June 2015: Triple lutz combo Jenni Saarinen (performlive)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl8Fp90ALi0

    21st December 2014: Kiira Korpi, Jenni Saarinen ja Viveca Lindfors SM-taitoluistelun mitalihaastattelussa (Skating Finland) [Interview with podium finishers in Finnish Championships]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5i20U2wUtY

    16th November 2014: Jenni Saarisen haastattelu, 2. SM-valintakilpailu, Tikkurila, Vantaa (HSK - Helsingfors Skridskoklubb rf - Helsingin Luistinklubi ry) [Interview with Jenni after Volvo Open]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1rIAew8Vl8

    3rd November 2014: Finlandia Trophy Espoo 2014 Jenni Saarinen Interview (Skating Finland)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYXhYTyxK-w

    11th February 2012: Jenni Saarinen won silver medal in Novice Girls in Nordic Championships at Vantaa (Valo Mediapalvelu)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjiRABmsYfs


    Articles And Video Interviews

    15th February 2015: “Jenni Saarinen of Finland wins the Senior Ladies” (Nordics 2015)
    http://nordics2015.no/2015/02/15/jen...senior-ladies/

    21st December 2014: “Kiira Korpi Suomen mestariksi” (Kokkolan Taitoluistelijat)
    http://kokkolantaitoluistelijat.spor...x118281=564248

    6th November 2014: “Nuori suomalaisurheilija ei hätkähtänyt varustekommellusta” (Ilta Sanomat)
    http://www.iltasanomat.fi/taitoluist...762218146.html

    November 2014: “Jenni Saarinen ja Petra Laakkonen pronssimitaleille Riikassa!” (Tappara Taitoluistelu)
    http://www.tappara.fi/taitoluistelu/...kassa__32.html

    10th October 2014: “15-vuotiaat lupaukset väläyttivät Finlandia Trophyssa” (Kainuun Sanomat)
    http://www.kainuunsanomat.fi/kainuun...dia-trophyssa/

    15th March 2014: “Tapparan Jenni Saarinen luistelee kahdeksantena – luisteli sormi verisenä” (Aamulehti)
    http://www.aamulehti.fi/Urheilu/1194...+verisena.html

    21st November 2013: “Tauko ei lannistanut Jenni Saarista” (juniori TAPPARALAINEN)
    http://www.joomag.com/magazine/junio...036203?page=12

    30th September 2012: “Jenni Saarinen säihkyi junioreiden ykköstähtenä” (Hämeen Sanomat)
    http://www.hameensanomat.fi/uutiset/...n-ykkostahtena
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    She does have a website altready

    http://www.jennisaarinen.netai.net/j.../index.php/en/

    It doesn't say anything about her family, but she won Jr Ladies at the Nordics this season.

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    Very nice to see that Jenni has been noticed in the JWC! She is a very talented young girl indeed. Jenni trains together with Kiira Korpi at Tappara skating club. What comes to her last name, Saarinen is extremely common name here in Finland and therefore I doubt that she is related to Jarno Saarinen. If you just google with "Saarinen", you can see how common name it is. Finland has several promising junior skaters. In my opinion Jenni is the most promising one but there's also Liubov Efimenko (born 1999) from Lahti who is extremely talented, as well as Lyydia Määttänen (born 1998) who trains with Jenni and Kiira.

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    Sara, Welcome to Golden Skate! Post long and often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sara View Post
    Very nice to see that Jenni has been noticed in the JWC! She is a very talented young girl indeed. Jenni trains together with Kiira Korpi at Tappara skating club. What comes to her last name, Saarinen is extremely common name here in Finland and therefore I doubt that she is related to Jarno Saarinen. If you just google with "Saarinen", you can see how common name it is. Finland has several promising junior skaters. In my opinion Jenni is the most promising one but there's also Liubov Efimenko (born 1999) from Lahti who is extremely talented, as well as Lyydia Määttänen (born 1998) who trains with Jenni and Kiira.
    Welcome!

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    Thank you! I will try to keep the forum updated on Finnish skating news. Such a pity Kiira cannot participate in Worlds :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    She does have a website altready

    http://www.jennisaarinen.netai.net/j.../index.php/en/

    It doesn't say anything about her family, but she won Jr Ladies at the Nordics this season.
    Wow! I just had a look at the website, and that is a very impressive record she has! Nicky mightn't have been too wrong when he said she could be the next Kiira Korpi!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sara View Post
    Very nice to see that Jenni has been noticed in the JWC! She is a very talented young girl indeed. Jenni trains together with Kiira Korpi at Tappara skating club. What comes to her last name, Saarinen is extremely common name here in Finland and therefore I doubt that she is related to Jarno Saarinen. If you just google with "Saarinen", you can see how common name it is.
    Doh! I never actually thought of just searching for "Saarinen" in Google! Instead, I just went straight into Wikipedia and looked up Jarno, and then Jenni!

    But, I did the Google search there now, and I see what you mean about it being a common surname. I also did the same search in Wikipedia, and found that the "Saarinen" page had links to 18 people's Wikipedia pages listed on it. It now has 19, because I just added a link to Jenni's Wikipedia page!!! :D

    Motorbike racing has always been my first love, and it always will be. So, when I saw Jenni's surname in the entry list, the first thing that came into my head was Jarno. I knew it was a long shot, but curiosity just got the better of me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sara View Post
    Finland has several promising junior skaters. In my opinion Jenni is the most promising one but there's also Liubov Efimenko (born 1999) from Lahti who is extremely talented, as well as Lyydia Määttänen (born 1998) who trains with Jenni and Kiira.
    I just went onto YouTube and watched Liubov Efimenko's SP at the 2013 Nordics, as well as Lyydia Määttänen's FS at the 2012 Ice Star.

    Put it like this: if these 3 girls are anything to go by, Finland has nothing to worry about when Kiira follows Laura Lepistö into retirement!!! (Not that I hope that happens any time soon - I am a big Kiira fan. She is the most beautiful, graceful skater there has been in recent years. But, all good things come to an end, and I feel that it will not be long until Kiira takes that step. Especially since she is not going to Worlds this year...)

    All 3 of these girls do look very promising. But from what little of them I have seen, I would agree with your assessment that Jenni is the most promising.

    But, it is good to see that the future of Finnish skating is looking bright.

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    She is skating this week at Oberstdorf, Ill let you know how she did

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    Jenni won junior ladies in Nordics today. 149.78 points. I love her sp this year, flamenco style. She is going to junior worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex D View Post
    She is skating this week at Oberstdorf, Ill let you know how she did
    She won the Bavarian Open, scoring 136.14!

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    Jenni was third in the Volvo Open Cup. She even won the sp even though her bag with skates and the dress were missing. She was allowed to skate last in case they would arrive. There were only two skaters before her when she got her skates and dress and then won the sp. Well done!

    It was her second international senior competition and her first senior medal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sini View Post
    Jenni was third in the Volvo Open Cup. She even won the sp even though her bag with skates and the dress were missing. She was allowed to skate last in case they would arrive. There were only two skaters before her when she got her skates and dress and then won the sp. Well done!
    Wow!!!!!

    Unfortunately, I got mixed up about what day the Volvo Open was starting, so I only saw the Free Skates LIVE. And I have not yet got caught up with the Shorts. So, I had no idea she had all this drama.

    To win the SP under those conditions just shows what a strong competitor Jenni is. I tell you, this girl is going to be somebody to watch out for in the future.

    Now that I've heard this, it was a shame that Jenni only managed 4th in the FS. But, let's be honest, nobody could have done anything about Kuchvalska's FS!

    WELL DONE JENNI!!!!

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    I wouldn't call myself a "fan" of Jenni - I haven't seen enough or know enough about her to become a fan. But she shows good potential, so I think of her as one to watch...

    ...and for those who are already fans, here's a few photos from when I did watch... at Finlandia Trophy last month --> CLICKY

    Official Finlandia SP video
    Official Finlandia FS video
    Interview at Finlandia

    She finished 5th with 144.16 points... her personal best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YesWay View Post
    She finished 5th with 144.16 points... her personal best!
    Good news! In Finnish Nationals this weekend, Jenni has bettered her overall Personal Best by a good margin!

    It is now at 157.00! Although Jenni did not reach her Short Programme PB, she improved her Free Skate PB by 8.58 points, to 104.19.

    The top 3 was the same in all segments - Kiira Korpi, from Jenni Saarinen, from Viveca Lindfors.

    After the SP, Jenni was only 3 points behind Kiira, and 5 ahead of Viveca. But, Kiira pulled away in the FS to win by exactly 11 points overall. Apart from the fact that this is Kiira we are talking about, a thing that wouldn't have helped Jenni was that she had a fall in the FS.

    But, she still managed to finish 9.98 ahead of Viveca overall.

    Thank you to TT_Fin for bringing this to our attention in the Finnish Nationals thread

    I was just looking at their ISU Bios, and Viveca was born in January 1999 while Jenni was born in March 1999. So, they are both old enough to be eligible for the Finnish team at Europeans and Worlds.

    Maybe not yet, but in a few years time I think Jenni could be a seriously challenger for a senior international slot!

    All the best for the rest of the season Jenni!!!

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    Just to let you know that I have now posted the first part of my update to the Original Post.

    (I was getting annoyed that Jenni was now on the final page of the Fan Fest Forum, so decided to post some of the update now so that I could bump her up! )


    While doing my research, I was looking at Jenni's website and spotted something that surprised me on the contact details page.

    It would appear that Laura Lepistö is Jenni's manager!!!

    Now, that is a good person to have in your corner!

    I tell you, this girl is going places! Not only has she got the skating skills, but she's also got the right people around her.

    Nicky Slater mightn't have been far wrong when he picked her out a couple of years ago as somebody to watch for the future...

    CaroLiza_fan
    Last edited by CaroLiza_fan; 06-28-2015 at 01:18 AM.

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