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    Quote Originally Posted by rkuang View Post
    I'm sorry to disagree, but I agree with them about Akiko. BUT, that's not to say I don't love her. In fact, I love her more because she will never be a gold contender. It's admirable and shows perseverance. But I can totally see where they are coming from, and it's not out of disrespect.
    I too think what they say about Akiko makes sense. I think Akiko is a lovely skater; her skating is evenly beautiful but nothing superlative about it competition-wise.

    In tennis some competitors are great enough all-around players to win some titles on the tour, but lack the big weapons and/or mental fortitude to be Grand Slam champions. (Caroline Wozniacki comes to mind -- It doesn't take anything away from Wozniacki as hundreds of tennis ladies would kill to have Wozniacki's career. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    It was a totally strange discussion. I can understand one of them predicting that Carolina would win just for the sake of the argument, but all three agreeing to that is just weird. It was like they didn't want to say who they really believed was going to win. I bet they are jealous of either Yuna or Mao winning because that would add to these skaters' legendary fodder, and maybe they can't stand to have anyone becoming a legend above Michelle Kwan. Oh so provincially North American, are they not?
    Darn, you've figured out how all of us North Americans think! We are sooo jealous.

    And you're forgetting Jenny Kirk competed against Michelle for a number of years. Kind of hard to root for someone you're competing against while you're competing against them.

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    Ashley over Yuna? LOL. They first talked about that Ashley's lack of 3+3 in SP would bury her in rankings. Where is the consistency? Asheley has not done any 3+3 in ages. How many ladies can do 3+3 or 3A? At least 8-10! Ashley is toast. She does not have the technical content. It might work at Nationals, but not at worlds.

    Caro? Queen of Inconsistency over Yu Na?

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    Akiko's free skating program this season and last season actually remind me a little bit of that of Kwan's programs (Her arabesque/Kerrigan spirals are of note). I actually really like these two programs and I think they actually make her stand out.

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    Perhaps Akiko is not so naturally talented as Mao, or Yuna but don't agree that she isn't something special. I think she is one of the few ladies who is so musical and gives off a joyful feeling when she skates. Don't have to have a diva attitude to make it memorable. I won't be forgetting her beautiful LP this season. I predicted Mao,Yuna, then Carolina. Akiko 4th but would love her be first or second. Wagner i thought 5th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    Why are you going back to bringing up the technical difficulty? Again, no objection with that assessment. But Kirk said "there's nothing special/memoreable about her skating" (this is not interpretation, that's what she said), and Lease adds "she lacks that killer instinct". THAT is what I disagree with so much.
    And why would anyone just want to misinterpretate what they say into something worse than it is? It's two people I don't have any clue about who they are to begin with and PJ, who I usually just don't pay attention to that much. I just think they're saying some pretty weird stuff.



    I don't really get what this has to do with anything... I certainly don't want to diss Ashley, and it's not about comparing Ashley to Akiko at all. PJ&Co. are definitly putting Ashley above Akiko though, they're even putting her in the same league as Yuna, Mao and Caro. And that's just not right, like it or not. (I'm not saying it's impossible Ash will be on the podium. If Mao and/or Caro make mistakes and she skates well, she can beat them. But it's about overall skating quality - and in that regard Ash is not up to the standard of the other three).
    I am simply pointing out reasons why they said what they said, but you disagree with them and that is fine. as to the second part, I think a lot of criticisms towards Suzuki reminds me of criticisms towards Ashley. Sort that underdog, middle-of-the-road type comments, and it is perpetuated by not being able to see that they are fine skaters, though perhaps not gold contenders. There was literally a thread here that compared these two skaters specifically, and I see a lot of that sentiment being carried over. I don't think it's that far-fetched.

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    FWIW - In a recent teleconference Wagner said she planned a 3/3 in the SP and 2 axel 3/ toe in the Free Program "but it is always up to Nicks as to what we will do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKonas View Post
    FWIW - In a recent teleconference Wagner said she planned a 3/3 in the SP and 2 axel 3/ toe in the Free Program "but it is always up to Nicks as to what we will do."
    There is no way she can land 3+3 or 2+3 at worlds without doing them for years. She had some 'success' in the past 2 seasons by downgrading the technical content to be 'consistent'. However, this is not a sound strategy. I predict she will have a rude awakening at words.

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    Ashley Wagner has that American champion look and they are dangerous. She isn't "special" yet technically or artistically. But can we see Miki Ando? Can we say Kimmie Meissner? There will always be those people especially on this site who will disagree or agree and sometimes very loudly. But skaters aren't particularly special can still win worlds. Kimmie had the 3A sort of but her other technical elements and artistry were good but not great and certainly not special. So Suzuki and Wagner could have a chance if thne trio (Carolina, yuna and mao falter) more likely a better chance for a medal but again requires some faltering.

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    Yuna's LP wonderful but SP is not good. She skated her SP poorly at nationals. The LP was with more fire and speed. Yuna is still not nearlt Vancouver Yuna. I think Mao and Caro have superior LP's. Caro is unique. Her PCS should go through the roof if she skates like at her nationals. And Mao-well-she may blow some jumps but her LP is pefect princess choreography plus the mentioned high base value. I would rather see CARO OR MAO OR AKIKO OR ASHLEY. SORRY caps stuck again. I like their programs the best this season.

    Yuna will get rep marks and it will have to be bad for her not to podium. Her LP is quite good. I just prefer other skaters and programs this year. As far as big jumpers go, Grace Gold were she consistent would blow all these ladies out. But she isn't and she will get no held up marks. Akiko should contend for gold. Her skating is magical and fast and joyous. She is very special and does not get her due.

    Osmond should be mentioned as she could skate great in Canada and get some home turf points. She is a star already. But the Russians will figure in one spot, though I don't thik any deserve all the hype they get/ Liza poor ice coverage- but skates with expression. Leonova-never know- Adelina is so juniorish despite her flexibility. But I never do afree with the placements. In junior worlds, Samantha Cesario was so elegant, so complete-she came in fourth. I think it strange how Juniors with the 3x3s place high but srs don't have to do a lutz to win worlds. That said, Caro/Mao have stunning LPs and I hope they go 1-2. I can see why PJ loves Caro's programs and skating. May they all skate well.

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    Akiko is one of my favourite artiste in the history of the sport.

    Her nuances and musical interpretation make her standout.

    She brings us in her journey of emotions. She draws you in. She is unafraid to show her imperfections because they make her a better skater and person. I have to agree that seeing Akiko Suzuki live is MAGIC! Ala MK magic!

    This girl is a fighter and has fought so many setbacks in her home country to be where she is right now.

    She is every ounce of a champion.

    She has kept on improving through the years is continuously getting better.

    Her charisma is incredible. I've seen her live and when she is on, she will sell a program like no other. Go Akiko!!!!!!

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    My first time watching the skating lessons, and their expressions (especially dave's) are so pricelessly funny in this discussions. I don't really get why they can't just write down their opinion in one paragraph instead of blabbing on forever like that.
    Funny they think Caro is the favorite. Dave has always been a Yuna-uber. He seemed afraid of saying that in front of the ladies who are Caro-ubers. I have a feeling they are Caro ubers for her feminine maturity, not necessarily for her skill level or program. Whoever thinks Wagner can make podium is just disillusioned.

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    noidont, I guess I must be disillusioned because you never know what might happen. I have a feeling all of the top skaters will not skate clean. Then again I may be wrong but you never know

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    Another disillusioned here (*waves*)

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    This whole "prediction" is just a setup for political play. I bet there is a big plan behind to promote an american skater and it happens to be Wagner who is the best they can have now. If Wagner doesn't get to the podium but Yuna does, there will be 'robbed' cries. Yuna is not with any n. american coach and doesn't have strong federation to back her. So she is the one to be picked.

    Everybody works(in this case 'speaks') for whoever pays her/him.

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