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    Yuna Kim - 2013 version

    Yuna clearly has time to get her mojo back, do the difficult combos and get the best choreographers who packaged her-showed off her strengths, disregarded weakness. Before World results, would you bet your bottom dollar she would repeat as Oly Champion. Betting windows close before ladies skates begin. She's not my fave skater of past or present. I like her skating, innocent Yuna the philanthropist mucho. I love she could become anything in S Korea after skating is done. Poweful Asian female leaders with Yuna's good heart are so needed-there and here. So I adore what I know of her persona. She for me has skating issues I dislike.

    So while I would vote for skaters I prefer if they skate well in London (currently adore Caro's programs, like Mao's, like Ashley, want Akiko to get her due-two great programs), I see Yuna being able to rotate her 3x3's, having rep judging.and ability to comply with picky tech callers-perfect edges and rotation by next year. Her lack of a big time coach is an issue imo.

    Several fitst timers will give up under Oly stress. Likely half these top 10 ladies will fall apart. Yuna has cooly done it once already- Oly gold. I hope others don't fall apart, but at least on TV I enjoy Ashley now and love the new Caro.Will they melt in Olympics? Russian babies all interesting but? Pressures to podium in homeland at first Oly games. Mao and Caro are Oly vets where quite cool. Even if I don't want Yuna to win (I just wanna see a newbie or past gold loser like mao or Caro get the golden goose. I see Akiko as amazing in every way. I'd love to see her win if deservedif she earn it), Love Akiko's programs this year.

    I'd almost bet money on Yuna if injury were not always possible. Right now technically Mao has the superior layout, so she could beat Yuna at London, but I see Sochi as Yuna's to lose. She will match anyones game jumpwise by then or am I wrong? And her PCS will be inflated(shouldn't be). Other than her speed, ice coveragem huge 3x3's, I find many areas lacking. I preferred Joannie/Mao at times in those days. there are many reasons dozens counting other ladies, etc why yuna is a able to realistically tie Kat Witt's Olympic record.

    But I really want to know if others would bet if they could - Something tells me she will again jump her way along with hi PCS to top spot. I'd like to hear from ubers ad non -ubers alike on their opinion. I bet Yuna will repeat as Oly Champion by 5 points. I don't see her clobbering Mao or Caro this time. She is a veteran who will fight harder for this crown than the first. Without benefit of 2013 world cup, I bet Yuna repeats. Everyone your thoughts?

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    If Yuna keeps her current layout, i wouldnt even bet a penny on her win at Sochi. But if she brings her loop, and tweaks her combinations here and there, along with superior choreography, i would bet my bottom dollar on her win.

    May I ask which areas do you think Yuna lacks?
    I personally think she lacks flexibility which I think it's one of the reasons why her programs doesnt have a silky flow.

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    She has time to perfect he loop. I know she will upgrade. She needs a tougher intl coach-a shame she broke bridges. A journalist wrote she was beautiful from waist up. Her legs can't be hidden, her club foot appearance-flexed foot-unpointed toes, call it what you will, are so unnatractive-the lines are not there, and yes, her spins, spirals-ladies layback matter hugely to me-as much as giant jumps that are better than many males. But judges in the flesh live see things I cannot and overscored her bigtime. Yes, deserved win, but it was not a horse race and Mao was fab. Huge gap -ridiculous in Vancouver.

    I see her winning next year because her jumps and clever packaging/great programs from Wilson won the day and why not again? Rep points will be there.
    Yuna with big combos plus mostly clean plus great programs plus packaging equals gold. She'll be nervous but she can handle it. Mentally only Mao is close. And Olympics is mental game. Who coaches her? She needs to come to USA and hire Frank. Her coach siti worries me, even though she was little kid with them. Why not back at Kwan's rink with Karen Kwan/Oppegard? It would be amazing if she went to Nicks. Ashley would be doing up the ante every day. Or What about Artunian? I think she needs to up her profile and do a full schedule next year. I'd hate to see her do poorly-and Korea would really be down on her. I'd love to see her with any coach-a European coach-just something to get her back into limelight and with top coaches. She may have made the MK mistake.

    I may rue my words after this week, but I think she can win Sochi, even with the wonderkind there.

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    Yeah if she puts in the work next season and competes a GP or 2 so we could see the programs and consistency....I would definitely put money on her!

    But if she treats next year like 2011 worlds, there is no way!

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    Notwithstanding her lack of flexibility, Yuna has the perfect body and figure for a figure skater. Long arms, long legs, well-proportioned, with just the right balance of athleticism and elegance.

    Just like any truly great athlete, I don't think Yuna is going to Sochi just to do well. She is going there to win, period. And I sure wouldnt bet against her.

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    When Yuna shows off 2a-3t-2t combo out of long spread eagle movement like nothing right now, even when that combo can't belong to her current layout hence no need for doing it, I think there's a good possibility that she would bring 3loop back just to showcase her gorgeous 2a-3t.

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    She's in good position to defend her Olympic title. Her team at least got her started much earlier than many who have attempted come backs for the Olympics. We already know she's doing GP next season, so she'll have plenty of opportunity to refine her programs.

    As for her layout, she will likely upgrade. In the previous Olympic season she went from 3f+3t to 3lz+3t, and she may just bring back the loop so she can do 2a+3t in her lp again.

    I'm not sure what she'll do about her coaching situation though. She did acknowledge she may need a foreign coach next season, but I'm sure she was much happier training in Korea, training at home. She may just hire several specialists to come to Korea if that's what she needs. The one thing that might make training overseas more palatable is knowing it's her very last season.

    But Worlds is here and the post season will come soon enough. We'll know more soon. It would be interesting if she doesn't win Worlds this year but wins at the Olympics.

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    Kim's lower body especially the leg is not bad at all. She definitely doesn't point her toes in the spins, but other than that, her stretch is fine. Not the best, but at least competent.

    In terms of 3loop, I doubt she can bring it back. She tried it for two seasons (07-08, 08-09) and failed. Why would anyone think she can bring it back when she's older? Loop is very hard on the body. Kim had serious back injury because of this jump and she insisted many times that she wanted to be very careful this time and not get injured again. I don't think she will risk this much.

    Remember in the recent interviews, she mentioned currently it's harder to keep stamina and flexibility at peak compared to 2010. Therefore it's definitely much riskier to train previously troubling 3loop. She will probably get injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McIce View Post
    Kim's lower body especially the leg is not bad at all. She definitely doesn't point her toes in the spins, but other than that, her stretch is fine. Not the best, but at least competent.

    In terms of 3loop, I doubt she can bring it back. She tried it for two seasons (07-08, 08-09) and failed. Why would anyone think she can bring it back when she's older? Loop is very hard on the body. Kim had serious back injury because of this jump and she insisted many times that she wanted to be very careful this time and not get injured again. I don't think she will risk this much.

    Remember in the recent interviews, she mentioned currently it's harder to keep stamina and flexibility at peak compared to 2010. Therefore it's definitely much riskier to train previously troubling 3loop. She will probably get injured.
    Well bringing the loop would increase her bv, and thats why many people think it would be a good idea. Of course we saw Yuna having trouble with the loop, but we also saw her landing a beautiful delayed 3lo in 2007( i believe it was CoR, correct me if Im wrong)

    And I thought Kim had a serious back injury while training for 3A, not 3lo.?

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    I think Yuna could win Sochi with current layout even without adding a loop. I think Mao's 8 triple plan is wayyy too ambitous, especially for a 23 year old, and Mao is too inconsistent with the 3A.

    ETA: I do remember that it was the loop hurt her back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    Well bringing the loop would increase her bv, and thats why many people think it would be a good idea. Of course we saw Yuna having trouble with the loop, but we also saw her landing a beautiful delayed 3lo in 2007( i believe it was CoR, correct me if Im wrong)

    And I thought Kim had a serious back injury while training for 3A, not 3lo.?
    If I remember correctly, since becoming senior, she had 2 successful attempts out of maybe 6 or 7 attempts. That's pretty low.

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    Here’s what Yu-na should do. (Courtesy of Blades of Passion.)

    3Lz+3T
    2A+3T
    3F
    3Lz
    3S
    2Lz+2Lo+2T (5.72 BV)
    2A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Here’s what Yu-na should do. (Courtesy of Blades of Passion.)

    3Lz+3T
    2A+3T
    3F
    3Lz
    3S
    2Lz+2Lo+2T (5.72 BV)
    2A
    Good idea, except the order should be:

    3Lz+3T
    3F
    3S
    2A+3T
    3Lz
    2Lz+2T+2L
    2A

    with the last four passes getting the second-half bonus. The other no-loop alternative is to repeat the Flip instead of the Salchow or Toe:

    3Lz+3T
    3F
    3S
    3Lz
    2A+2T+2L
    3F+2T
    2A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    The other no-loop alternative is to repeat the Flip instead of the Salchow or Toe:

    3Lz+3T
    3F
    3S
    3Lz
    2A+2T+2L
    3F+2T
    2A
    She could also do a solo 3T instead of a 2nd 3F and it would only cost her the value of a 2Z compared to the other layout. But the layout you suggested would earn her enough points to win, because she will already be a few points ahead of everyone with a clean SP unless Mao delivers something extraordinary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post

    3Lz+3T
    3F
    3S
    3Lz
    2A+2T+2L
    3F+2T
    2A
    This is what I expect she will do next season. It's what within her capability and more likely to go clean.

    However, since she usually takes pretty long time to set up 3Lz and 3F, her step sequence time will likely be shorter. Transitions will probably be less as well to minimize the chance of making mistakes. If that's the case, her program will look empty.

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