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    I need a backlit keyboard....can't see. Anyway, I knew she'd win, she did and I'll put money should I find betters on Sochi. I never expected two clean programs, and I thought the podium would be closer. But she is 21 points ahead. This was a mini Olympics. I hope we at least get Wilson's best work next year, maybe Buttle should help.

    Yuna was too cool. She was a bit nervous in 2010. This 2013 Yuna? She knows she can have it.

    I agree GOE should be lowered and I like the full triple bonus idea-always have. Sounds great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegarin View Post
    For this free skate program? As a whole package? Sure, I think her free skate was definitely superior overall. Isn't it what it's supposed to measure? This particular program? GoE reflects how her components were carried out for this free skate, and she killed every single element. It's not as if she was better at every element compared to other top skaters -- Mao had higher GoEs for things like step sequence, and so did Carolina, and at least one of Carolina's jumps got a GoE as high as Yuna's. Yuna got her GoEs built up, sure, because she skated clean and delivered a high level quality program, but the top skaters an their GoEs on average are close. As others already said, clean and completeness of the program do add up, and only if Carolina or Mao did clean programs, theirs would be on a similar level as Yuna's because they would have been rewarded for their efforts, and then we would've seen more of an even reflection of their levels. They didn't. Kim did.

    So, to compensate for that, we lower GoE again? I'm not sure how that helps the situation. Kim does have an edge because she tends to create jump sequences (Ina Bauer for instance) with higher degrees of difficulty, and she carries them out beautifully because she obviously wants higher GOEs. Why would anyone bother to make a jump more difficult if you wouldn't be awarded for quality? Why would they want to try to go for a beautifully clean program with difficult elements, then? Lowering GOEs even more? That would probably get every female skater to scamp around to learn 3A, because that's the only jump left whose reward is high enough and by that point the quality of the other elements wouldn't end up mattering as much. And in that case, I don't see anyone other than Asada doing better programs than they are right now, and that's worse than Yuna getting high scores than anyone else when she goes clean. I would rather see everyone else trying to clean programs than vice versa.
    Superior, yes, just not 20 points superior. She also didn't deserve any 10s in her PCS, in my opinion. She is very, very good--I'm not disputing that. But it is her jumps that set her apart. Anyone can see that without GOEs.

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    Anyone can see that without GOEs
    I still don't see how that's relevant - because how would she be rewarded with her jumps, then? For my money, I would like to see her and Carolina and their beautifully executed jumps with those lines and breathtaking speed at every opportunity, if possible. But yes, this may not be the best place to discuss it.

    I like the full triple bonus idea, too. It would certainly make things even more interesting.

    And I definitely like this version of Kim a lot better than the one we saw in 2011, who clearly didn't seem sure whether she wanted to skate. She's a great skater, but it was painful to watch. This time was surely different. Welcome back, Yuna!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    Superior, yes, just not 20 points superior. She also didn't deserve any 10s in her PCS, in my opinion. She is very, very good--I'm not disputing that. But it is her jumps that set her apart. Anyone can see that without GOEs.
    And that's your opinion. Which you've repeatedly stated. And yet, that does not change the fact that apparently, the judges disagreed with you, as did the spectators who gave her a standing ovation before the skate was over. I'm sorry but believe it or not, not everyone in the world perceives Kim Yu-na's skating the same as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    The problem is with the scoring system. Do we really need 14+ GOE points to tell us that Yu Na was the winner?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cherryy View Post
    My thought exactly. I'm not questioning Yuna's win, it was 150% deserved. But do you all think it's fair she can make such a big lead in the GOE alone that noone else is practically able to beat her? Was her program really about 15-20 points better than skaters from 2-4 places? I just want to know your opinion with at least short justification if possible. Maybe I'm missing sth, idk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    more like 21 points.........which I think it's possible since Yuna skated a clean program whereas Caro popped her loop, and fell on 3S which was downgraded. that's like 10 points right there. Plus Yuna gets better GOE's than Caro.
    I'd just like to emphasize Mathman's point. If you really have issues, there are protocols. That you can break down. And calculate. Maybe you disagree w/her PC's but hey, those are objective and judges' opinions may or may not concur with yours. I'd say the judges and spectators' feelings (standing O before end of program) coincided in this case. As for TES, like Mathman said, it wasn't just the quality but the fact she went clean.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I don't have a problem with the GOEs in this contest. Yu-na got killer total GOEs because every single one of her elements was high quality. When you get all positives and no negatives, that starts to add up.

    Kim got an average of 1.38 on her 12 elements. Asada got an average of 1,01 on the 8 elements that she got positive GOEs for. But she had four elements with negative GOEs, which cancelled a good deal of that.

    Kostner averaged 1.10 on the ten elements where she earned positive GOEs, but she lost ground on her 1Lo and on her 3S<< (fall).

    Kim showed both excellence and consistency throughout the program. That adds up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I don't have a problem with the GOEs in this contest. Yu-na got killer total GOEs because every single one of her elements was high quality. When you get all positives and no negatives, that starts to add up.
    She definitely deserved +GOE on all of her elements, but the amount was too much. Her 3Sal jumps are +1 GOE worthy, not any more than that. Her 2Axel+2Toe+2Loop was +1 worthy. Her spins could even really just get +1 GOE and that would be fair. Those elements got a whole heaping amount of +2 GOE's, and some +3's too (no way did that Choreography Step Sequence or last 2Axel deserve +3 either). That's uncalled for.

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    The press waiting for Yuna Kim at the Incheon Airport on March 20th. picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    She definitely deserved +GOE on all of her elements, but the amount was too much. Her 3Sal jumps are +1 GOE worthy, not any more than that. Her 2Axel+2Toe+2Loop was +1 worthy. Her spins could even really just get +1 GOE and that would be fair. Those elements got a whole heaping amount of +2 GOE's, and some +3's too (no way did that Choreography Step Sequence or last 2Axel deserve +3 either). That's uncalled for.
    I quite liked this 3s. I usually don't like salchows, as it's not my favourite position in the take off. This one immediately got me thinking "I don't hate this".

    Part of her high GOEs is due to how she easily blends them as part of the 'dance'. I noticed the latter two jumps in three-jump combos are harder to do so than 3-3, and Yuna delivers that - I currently don't see others doing so. Just finishing smooth and clean can get +1 (and some +2), and I believe she deserves +2 (and some +3) this time - since I've seen her better, and this isn't her best three-jump combo (mostly +3). She also does them at a suicidal speed, too.

    I'm kinda on fence about other elements, but I felt that the steps was one of those where it's ok to execute but can get ugly if you tried to put some beauty in it; of course, this is purely an unprofessional opinion. However, seeing how others were marked, I don't think the overall result was more than she deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szidon View Post
    The press waiting for Yuna Kim at the Incheon Airport on March 20th. picture
    Isn't that a press conference at the airport?

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    here is an even more amazing photo: http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/tv/2013/...969_484593.jpg

    Yes, Yuna is in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YunaBliss View Post
    here is an even more amazing photo: http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/tv/2013/...969_484593.jpg

    Yes, Yuna is in there.
    good grief. it's like playing where is waldo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyalligator View Post
    good grief. it's like playing where is waldo.
    Man, that is one impressive mob! How great that there's a country somewhere on the planet that gives skating the respect it deserves.

    My Korean friends here get a Korean newspaper published in this country. He showed me that she made the front page and was featured with large photos on an interior page. Well deserved, might I add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Man, that is one impressive mob! How great that there's a country somewhere on the planet that gives skating the respect it deserves.

    My Korean friends here get a Korean newspaper published in this country. He showed me that she made the front page and was featured with large photos on an interior page. Well deserved, might I add.
    Heh... FYI Olympia

    http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps01d5093d.jpg

    This was the headliners yesterday, before she even set foot back in Korea. I wonder what it might be tomorrow.

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    YuNa was given massive GOE's and a couple 10.0's in PCS--inflated, yes--because she was the last to skate and judges knew it wouldn't matter what they gave her; she was going to win and she was the only one who went clean in the final flight so it was time to go crazy.

    I am almost certain if it was much closer, they would have been more measured in the scores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szidon View Post
    The press waiting for Yuna Kim at the Incheon Airport on March 20th. picture
    Quote Originally Posted by YunaBliss View Post
    here is an even more amazing photo: http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/tv/2013/...969_484593.jpg

    Yes, Yuna is in there.
    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    Heh... FYI Olympia

    http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps01d5093d.jpg

    This was the headliners yesterday, before she even set foot back in Korea. I wonder what it might be tomorrow.

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