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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    I hope someone can find a live stream to watch. I've been looking forward to this.
    Eurosport will be showing it live and the Russian "Sport" channel possibly as well. Both are avilable on TVTeka.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    France had three spots but sent only 2. Did they not have another skater that could meet the minimums?
    They have a number of skaters who have the minimum score. And Chafik Besseghier was top 10 at Euros. The French Federation are just being morons again.

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    Pavel Ignatenko has withdrawn. According to his twiter he couldn't get his visa. :( :(

    The BLR team is in the same situation, they have until tomorrow to arrive on London.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiKike View Post
    Pavel Ignatenko has withdrawn. According to his twiter he couldn't get his visa. :( :(

    The BLR team is in the same situation, they have until tomorrow to arrive on London.
    That makes me really angry. Stupid politics creating barriers and taking away opportunities from skaters.

    Ignatenko has had the season of his life, having just placed 13th at Euros and 14th at Junior Worlds. He's been very consistent, landing 3axels in pretty much program IIRC. He could have earned an Olympic spot here. :(

    On a totally different note, I know I am repeating myself but seeing Song Nan's name on the entry list makes me even more angry. Say goodbye to two Olympic spots China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Not Mongolia? I confess I'm a bit disappointed. I have to change my mental picture pronto.

    Thanks for the heads-up.

    I have to say, I thought that Lucine didn't sound very Ural-Altaic. But these days, everyone moves around so much--well, I had hopes. I love watching our sport spread around the world.
    Well, there was a Mongolian girl at Junior Worlds last year:

    http://english.news.mn/content/98912.shtml
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wjc2012/CAT002RS.HTM

    The minimum scores may prevent her from entering championships in the future, at least in the short term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Not really. He's not exactly the beacon of consistency...
    As you see it Ziggy, certainly don't mean it's written in stone either. In actual fact, Ross has been pretty consistent throughout his career whether or not you see it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    That makes me really angry. Stupid politics creating barriers and taking away opportunities from skaters.

    Ignatenko has had the season of his life, having just placed 13th at Euros and 14th at Junior Worlds. He's been very consistent, landing 3axels in pretty much program IIRC. He could have earned an Olympic spot here. :(

    On a totally different note, I know I am repeating myself but seeing Song Nan's name on the entry list makes me even more angry. Say goodbye to two Olympic spots China.
    Disagree. These skaters have known a long time about the location of Worlds, the visa requirements, and the likelihood that they would be going. In the realm of visa-getting, Canada's not all that difficult or obtuse. If the rest of the BLR team is in this situation also, sounds more like somebody on the Team/Federation end screwed up with timeliness of paperwork, not "politics" being played.

    On the subject of Chinese Federation, I am baffled about what goes on in their heads these days. To me, this situation is the one that smells of (internal) politics going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    I guess that somewhat depends on how Chan skates, but then hopefully not.
    Yeah, skating after someone who skates lights out can be a challenge. And even if a prior skater skates poorly, in the end as an athlete you can't base what you do on what someone else does. Rising to the challenge is necessary at all times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Disagree. These skaters have known a long time about the location of Worlds, the visa requirements, and the likelihood that they would be going. In the realm of visa-getting, Canada's not all that difficult or obtuse. If the rest of the BLR team is in this situation also, sounds more like somebody on the Team/Federation end screwed up with timeliness of paperwork, not "politics" being played.
    It is extremely difficult to obtain a visa for some countries. Haven't you seen Misha Ge's twitted picture of all of the paperwork and documents that he was required to prepare and hand in? He really struggled with that but managed to avoid having to fly back to Uzbekistan (which would cost him a fortune) in the end.

    But you are right, we don't know what really happened. Maybe it's a mistake on the federation's part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Art&Sport View Post
    As you see it Ziggy, certainly don't mean it's written in stone either. In actual fact, Ross has been pretty consistent throughout his career whether or not you see it that way.
    At Four Continents he doubled the salchow in the SP, singled it in the FS and singled the axel as well. Whilst the rest of his jumps were indeed clean, mistakes on the big elements like this, are extremely costly.

    But you are probably right. Just looked through his recent results and protocols and I guess in his case the problem is more with this skating not being "big" enough (and his PCS not being very high as a result) than it is with his consistency.

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    Call me crazy, but shouldn't it be the federation's responsibility to make sure their athletes have the proper documentation, etc to travel to another country for a big competition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Call me crazy, but shouldn't it be the federation's responsibility to make sure their athletes have the proper documentation, etc to travel to another country for a big competition?
    Now you are assuming that all skating federations are organised and don't just exist on paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiKike View Post
    Pavel Ignatenko has withdrawn. According to his twiter he couldn't get his visa. :( :(

    The BLR team is in the same situation, they have until tomorrow to arrive on London.
    Cannot believe visa became an issue for even an athlete. I believe getting a visa to temporarily visit Canada is more difficult within the past few years: now you have to apply 2-3 months in advance (it used to be 2-3 weeks in 2007), written on the website. So if it is the same policy for attending competition, unless you apply 2-3 month before the competition, you are not guaranteed to get your visa on time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiKike View Post
    Pavel Ignatenko has withdrawn. According to his twiter he couldn't get his visa. :( :(

    The BLR team is in the same situation, they have until tomorrow to arrive on London.
    thats terrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Now you are assuming that all skating federations are organised and don't just exist on paper.
    True - that's me being naive!!!! BUT....they certainly seem to wield enough power when picking their teams, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Call me crazy, but shouldn't it be the federation's responsibility to make sure their athletes have the proper documentation, etc to travel to another country for a big competition?
    Some years ago U.S. skater Ann Patrice McDonough medalled in her first grand prix assignment and had a shot at making the finals with a good performance at Cup of Russia. When she and her mom (inexperienced travelers) arrived in Paris for the connecting flight, they were told that their papers were not in order to proceed on to Russia. She missed the event.

    After that the USFSA did make some effort at helping skaters and their parents with visas.

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    I am a bit worried for Yuzuru will his recent flu and back pain
    I just hope he does well

    though Gold is out of the question for him now with Chan as a lock for Gold
    with Fernandez as a compromise, but I hope Hanyu still gets to podium

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