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2013 Worlds-Mens SP

bramweld

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 12, 2012
:laugh: Close - the Gladiator soundtrack.

I wasn't exactly a big fan of Joubert back in the day, but now, even with his recycled programs and nonexistent choreography, I find myself rooting for him because he's part of the Old Guard. Call it nostalgia if you will, but I think it's really uplifting to see a skater who has been around since forever still doing well.

I never thought I would bring myself to say this but Joubert, is just the most delectable eye candy in the men's field. He should be called "THE BODY", and trust me I am not a fan by any stretch of the imagination. In fact D10 impreesed me the most tonight. He must get extra points from the female judges just for..need I say more..:biggrin:

Well, on to the women and ice dance. I don't think I'll have the nerves to watch ice dance especially the last two groups. I'll check in afterwards to see the results. This is turning into a grand world championships:popcorn:
 

yuki

Final Flight
Joined
Mar 2, 2012
I can understand what you think.
Maybe Patrick Chan triple axel look bad in the air, but Patrick secure high quality when he landed his jump so we don't pay attention to his air position for the GOE. and for the quad it's exactly the same thing, the landing was great even if he have trouble between the combo and also, quad+triple is much more impressive than quad in single so the judge like skater who challenge the impossible.

Like Mao Asada Triple axel for example (the judge tend to be nice with the GOE considering the challenge it is for a girl to do triple axel) so they do the same for Patrick Chan.

So what you're saying is that it's a challenge for Patrick to land a 3A? :laugh:

All parts of the jump should be taken into account for the GOE. Landing a jump is not this great accomplishment by itself.

Look, I realize that I'm probably nitpicking. Patrick's program was very, very good and, as I said before, the clear winner of the night. I could've done without the overscoring (which he didn't even need) and the World record, though.
 

ImaginaryPogue

Record Breaker
Joined
Jun 3, 2009
I can understand what you think.
Maybe Patrick Chan triple axel look bad in the air, but Patrick secure high quality when he landed his jump so we don't pay attention to his air position for the GOE. and for the quad it's exactly the same thing, the landing was great even if he have trouble between the combo and also, quad+triple is much more impressive than quad in single so the judge like skater who challenge the impossible.

Like Mao Asada Triple axel for example (the judge tend to be nice with the GOE considering the challenge it is for a girl to do triple axel) so they do the same for Patrick Chan.

While this might be what happens, it's not actually fair. I love Chan. I hate that people seem to complain about literally everything he does. But when he's scored unfairly, it doesn't reflect well on him. And he was scored incorrectly, in my mind. It doesn't make the haters right (and there's a difference between criticism and hate, undeniably), of course.
 
Joined
Jan 22, 2004
Look, I realize that I'm probably nitpicking. Patrick's program was very, very good and, as I said before, the clear winner of the night. I could've done without the overscoring (which he didn't even need) and the World record, though.

That is the point. Chan's performance obviously was good and he has some exceptional qualities.

But the GOEs he got for 4t/3t and 3a were just ridiculous. Give him credit where it's due but don't shower him with +2s and +3s just because it's Chan.
 

UnChosen

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 12, 2006
I'm pretty sure the Japanese can come back in the free in earn their spots. I'm more worried about whether Denis Ten can hold it together in the free, considering he has a habit of collapsing to pressure in the free when he did well in the short. Remember the 5 fall disaster back in 2010? I pray that kind of thing won't happen this time and he gets on the podium.
 

wallylutz

Medalist
Joined
Mar 23, 2010
Both 4salchow and 3toe were slightly cheated. 3axel was skidded on the landing, possibly cheated a little bit.

4toe was cheated more than the other jumps, probably over 1/4. It was also two-footed and had a turnout.

The 4S was definitely fully rotated and as well as the 3T at the end of the it. I don't agree with the calls on the 3A and 4T but then, I am not the Tech. Specialist or the Controller, speaking as someone who just returned from the Budweiser Gardens watching the men's SP live and in person.
 
Joined
Jan 22, 2004
Reynolds skating last in the FS. It'll make the moment where everybody realises he won the Silver medal even more dramatic. :D

The 4S was definitely fully rotated and as well as the 3T at the end of the it. I don't agree with the calls on the 3A and 4T but then, I am not the Tech. Specialist or the Controller, speaking as someone who just returned from the Budweiser Gardens watching the men's SP live and in person.

We could see the slo-mo on tv.

Both 4s and 3t were slightly cheated (definitely way under 1/4).

3a looked ok on the slo-mo (although the angle was such it was hard to tell).

4t looked cheated just under 1/4 (again the tv angle was not very clear).
 

Mao88

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 9, 2011
MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - RESULT & VIDEOS (Updated)

1. Patrick CHAN (CAN) - 98.37 Short Program
2. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 91.56 Short Program
3. Kevin REYNOLDS (CAN) - 85.16 Short Program
4. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (JPN) - 84.67 Short Program
5. Brian JOUBERT (FRA) - 84.17 Short Program
6. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 83.09
7. Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP) - 80.76 Short Program
8. Max AARON (USA) - 78.20
9. Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) - 75.94 Short Program
10. Florent AMODIO (FRA) - 75.73
11. Takahito MURA (JPN) - 73.46 Short Program
12. Nan SONG (CHN) - 73.03
 

Art&Sport

Medalist
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Hard to believe that Chan's performance meets such a lukewarm reaction... If that was Dai skating, this forum would explode in admiration...

I have no words for Chan's SP. It was just... FABOLOUS! I forgot what all the other competitors did. Period.

Hey but Kinga, Chan's fans who love him and who see all the beauty in his skating are giving him an over the top wonderbar, fabolously ginormously hot reception. The rest of us see him realistically as a wonderful skater who's improved his artistry somewhat, which wasn't that bad to begin with and he has essentially been skating the same artistically all season. I grant you he's determined to show he's feeling it more, i.e., See everyone how really, really artistic I am. Kudos Patrick. :cool:

IMO, in his sp, Chan simply cleaned up his obvious jump errors, and skated artistically as well as he's skated all season. The fact Chan's overdoing his facial expressions and extending out moves does not make Chan more innately and smoothly artistic than Denis Ten and Jeremy Abbott, nor more soulfully artistic than Dai Takahashi and Matt Savoie. Simply doesn't that's all. Be happy. Why worry what the rest of us think about Chan. You're asking way too much. I and others even if grudgingly do give PChid his props, and the ISU judges and Chan gang fans give Chan the World (Kathy Johnson hate seemingly forgotten for the moment by Chan fans).
 

jenaj

Record Breaker
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Country
United-States
I guess I wouldn't last as a judge because no way I would put Kevin ahead Dai's skate.

I have now seen Dai's and Patrick's skates. Can I say I still prefer Dai's skating? How can this performance be in 4th place? His PCS should be the same or better than Chan's. I do agree that Patrick deserves to be in first place.
 

bramweld

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 12, 2012
That is the point. Chan's performance obviously was good and he has some exceptional qualities.

But the GOEs he got for 4t/3t and 3a were just ridiculous. Give him credit where it's due but don't shower him with +2s and +3s just because it's Chan.

inflation is obsolete in Sochi. If the judges want to have it this way in the short TODAY, let them have it. And mind you I'm not saying his skate wasn't grand, but IMHO, IF Yuzu had skated his short program clean..oh boy. THAT KID HAS CHARISMA!!!

U know what they say about payback...:cool:
 

LisaS

On the Ice
Joined
Oct 31, 2004
Is there anyone who didn't predict that inflation will take its field day? Actually, not breaking 100 was almost a modest thing :laugh:. The highest PCS for this sleepy prog that doeesn't catch any artisitc concept was lauphable 2-3- seasons ago. Now it became a normal routine for this sport, unfortunately. Dai got lower PCS than Chan for everything, which beyond any idea of fair play and stupidity, but it fits the corrupted judging perfectly well. Kevin would have got ur for both jumps in combo if it were not in Canada with a Canadian tech squad on the panel of judges. But the "< "sign is reserved only for PChan rivals. Nice work, Canada. Pretty much what I expected. :popcorn:


Plu was the smartest one in this situation when he didn't really plan to got to Worlds in Canada long before his operations, knowing in advance how shamefully the event will be held. He turned out to be right unsurprisingly.


About Hanyu, Orser and especially Hashimoto- I don't want to write anything now. Not in the mood to spoil my brunch.

You are the one that is laughable.
 

katymay

Medalist
Joined
Mar 7, 2006
MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - RESULT & VIDEOS

1. Patrick CHAN (CAN) - 98.37 Short Program
2. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 91.56
3. Kevin REYNOLDS (CAN) - 85.16
4. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (JPN) - 84.67 Short Program
5. Brian JOUBERT (FRA) - 84.17 Short Program
6. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 83.09
7. Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP) - 80.76 Short Program
8. Max AARON (USA) - 78.20
9. Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) - 75.94 Short Program
10. Florent AMODIO (FRA) - 75.73
11. Takahito MURA (JPN) - 73.46 Short Program
12. Nan SONG (CHN) - 73.03


Thank you Mao, and some day I'll buy you a cold one...or a soda...or some popcorn or something....I really appreciate the videos!
 

auser

Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 5, 2009
MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - RESULT & VIDEOS (Updated)

1. Patrick CHAN (CAN) - 98.37 Short Program
2. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 91.56 Short Program
3. Kevin REYNOLDS (CAN) - 85.16
4. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (JPN) - 84.67 Short Program
5. Brian JOUBERT (FRA) - 84.17 Short Program
6. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 83.09
7. Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP) - 80.76 Short Program
8. Max AARON (USA) - 78.20
9. Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) - 75.94 Short Program
10. Florent AMODIO (FRA) - 75.73
11. Takahito MURA (JPN) - 73.46 Short Program
12. Nan SONG (CHN) - 73.03

Thank you Mao88, speedy archivist extraordinaire, for your resourceful efforts on our behalf. Again and again.:clap::bow:
 

wallylutz

Medalist
Joined
Mar 23, 2010
We could see the slo-mo on tv.

Both 4s and 3t were slightly cheated (definitely way under 1/4).

If it's "definitely way under 1/4" as you stated, then it means it cannot be detected by necked eyes without slow motion. As you know, judges and tech panel are required to make their call, GOE and UR respectively, without using slow motion and in case of doubt, benefits of the doubt has to be in favor of the skater. That's the rules. Ziggy, did you forget about such important rule or maybe that's why the Polish Fed doesn't want you? ;)

3a looked ok on the slo-mo (although the angle was such it was hard to tell).

In my opinion, I would more likely call it a < in this case and assign a -2 for GOE for the < and touch down. But that's just my opinion.

4t looked cheated just under 1/4 (again the tv angle was not very clear).

I disagreed, the 4T was UR with very little doubt, clearly so with the rotation actually finished on ice. When I first saw it, I thought it was going to be <<. But because he was much further away from me on that element with an angle, I couldn't see him clearly. On replay, I felt a < was fairer but with -2 GOE once again.

We were very surprised he wasn't called on the 4T but it appears the judging panel correctly penalized it with -2 and -3 in GOE per the protocol.

Luck is not something you can control. Kevin caught a break here but in other cases, it's the opposite, that's just life.
 

Mao88

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 9, 2011
MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - RESULT & VIDEOS (Updated)

1. Patrick CHAN (CAN) - 98.37 Short Program
2. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 91.56 Short Program
3. Kevin REYNOLDS (CAN) - 85.16 Short Program
4. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (JPN) - 84.67 Short Program
5. Brian JOUBERT (FRA) - 84.17 Short Program
6. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 83.09 Short Program
7. Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP) - 80.76 Short Program
8. Max AARON (USA) - 78.20
9. Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) - 75.94 Short Program
10. Florent AMODIO (FRA) - 75.73
11. Takahito MURA (JPN) - 73.46 Short Program
12. Nan SONG (CHN) - 73.03
 

sky_fly20

Match Penalty
Joined
Nov 20, 2011
as usual Chan gets the lock for Gold
by tommororw V/M will lock the gold too, lol

Poor Hanyu :cry:
hope at least he skates a great FS
 
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