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    2013 Worlds Ice Dance Short Dance SD

    Ice Dance Technical Panel: Referee - Hilary Selby GBR, Technical Controller - Ingrid Charlotte Wolter GER, Technical Specialist - Marie Bowness CAN, Assistant Technical Specialist - Judy Blumberg USA

    Live results link
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2013/SEG007.HTM

    Warm-Up Group 1
    1 Allison REED / Vasili ROGOV ISR
    2 Justyna PLUTOWSKA / Peter GERBER POL
    3 Olesia KARMI / Max LINDHOLM FIN
    4 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP

    Warm-Up Group 2
    5 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
    6 Federica TESTA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK
    7 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA
    8 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR
    9 Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU

    Warm-Up Group 3
    10 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST
    11 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Neil BROWN CZE
    12 Zsuzsanna NAGY / Mate FEJES HUN
    13 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR
    14 Viktoria KAVALIOVA / Yurii BIELIAIEV BLR

    Warm-Up Group 4
    15 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA
    16 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE
    17 Cathy REED / Chris REED JPN
    18 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS
    19 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA

    Warm-Up Group 5
    20 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA
    21 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR
    22 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER
    23 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN
    24 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN

    Warm-Up Group 6
    25 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA
    26 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA
    27 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA
    28 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS
    29 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS
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    How is this fair?

    How the heck is it that Marie Bowness of Canada is the tech specialist for two successive Worlds in ice dance? Talk about severe unfair advantage there, given that the single most important person for setting levels in the tech specialist. And that these placements of tech panels are done direcly by Cinquanta with the assistance of the head of figure skating, Dave Dore of Canada, with some suggestions by the federation holding the championships, Canada.

    2012
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2012/SEG011OF.HTM

    2013
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2013/SEG007OF.HTM

    Does Bowness get to be the tech specialist at Worlds or Olympics next year, too

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    At least Judy Blumberg is the ATS for Dance.

    Canada also has the ATS for Pairs (and a Pairs judge), the Referee for Ladies, and the Tech Controller for Men.
    It looks as if Canada took the tech/ref spots in return for not having judges in Men, Ladies and Dance.

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    Well considering how much of a DW Uber Judy Blumberg is, I think that it evens out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Well considering how much of a DW Uber Judy Blumberg is, I think that it evens out.
    Do people think Judy Blumberg is an "uber" because she was critical of V/M at Worlds two years ago? Or is there a substantive reason?

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    Not Surprising really
    really Canada wants to own the podium on home ice with Gold in Ice Dance and Men, Bronze for Ladies , Silver (and Bronze ) maybe for Pairs, lol
    as I said V/M are locks for gold no matter how they will skate too bad for D/W

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Not Surprising really
    really Canada wants to own the podium on home ice with Gold in Ice Dance and Men, Bronze for Ladies , Silver (and Bronze ) maybe for Pairs, lol
    as I said V/M are locks for gold no matter how they will skate too bad for D/W
    I think we all know Davis and White are sure winners - you can bet the mortgage. NO home town favourites or anything can stop them. Yes, they are good but for some reason judges are liking them more right now than V and M. Really Va nd M's Carmen like it or not really is innovative and hardly safe. I was wondering about the comment about the "lock" until I read who it was. V and M's decision with Carmen has led to lifts that aren't as smooth looking. You know I am not sure i like this approach or not. And in skating you don't necessarly get rewarded for stretching yourself. You really could do the same performance to the same type of music and what counts is that you get the levels and it is clean. There isn't points for stretching yoruself. If V and M were smart they should go back to a Mahler type routine. I have to say while I like the people far better of D and W I really do not know how in the world they got such high marks for their flamenco or tango/spanish themed freeskate a few years ago and that is the most I have seen them push themselves. But

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitchem View Post
    Do people think Judy Blumberg is an "uber" because she was critical of V/M at Worlds two years ago? Or is there a substantive reason?
    The former. It's worth remembering that Blumberg was on the panel that shellacked D/W at 4CC in 2012 that raises a few eyebrows. It's also worth mentioning that the USA has three representatives on the tech panels as well.

    I do wish that it wasn't the case, if only because you can totally see people using this to tarnish any results they don't like (see the prediction thread, or even doris' comments).

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    I would have to find a questionable call before I did any tarnishing, but I think that when you look at how frequently Marie Bowness is assigned when D&W face V&M since D&W won at 2011 Worlds, (she was the assistant caller at this year's GPF), it has a bad appearance, whether she is a fair person or not. D&W face each other 3 times a year at serious events; GPF, 4CCs & Worlds. In the last 2 years, Bowness has been at 2 of the 3 events. If you want to count WTT, it's four events, but to me WTT is not serious in the way the other events are.

    It doesn't have the appearance of fairness.

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    I will be beyond shocked if D/W win, irregardless of the tech callers.

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    I found your post is lack of logic. It doesn't matter how often Ms Bowness is assigned as long as she is professional and fair. In most of the events you mentioned, D/W won over V/M. Dosen't that speak loudly for itself? If anything, I'll say it's you that have a bias against Ms Bowness and V/M. So quit whining and stop spreading conspiracy theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I would have to find a questionable call before I did any tarnishing, but I think that when you look at how frequently Marie Bowness is assigned when D&W face V&M since D&W won at 2011 Worlds, (she was the assistant caller at this year's GPF), it has a bad appearance, whether she is a fair person or not. D&W face each other 3 times a year at serious events; GPF, 4CCs & Worlds. In the last 2 years, Bowness has been at 2 of the 3 events. If you want to count WTT, it's four events, but to me WTT is not serious in the way the other events are.

    It doesn't have the appearance of fairness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I think we all know Davis and White are sure winners - you can bet the mortgage. NO home town favourites or anything can stop them. Yes, they are good but for some reason judges are liking them more right now than V and M. Really Va nd M's Carmen like it or not really is innovative and hardly safe. I was wondering about the comment about the "lock" until I read who it was. V and M's decision with Carmen has led to lifts that aren't as smooth looking. You know I am not sure i like this approach or not. And in skating you don't necessarly get rewarded for stretching yourself. You really could do the same performance to the same type of music and what counts is that you get the levels and it is clean. There isn't points for stretching yoruself. If V and M were smart they should go back to a Mahler type routine. I have to say while I like the people far better of D and W I really do not know how in the world they got such high marks for their flamenco or tango/spanish themed freeskate a few years ago and that is the most I have seen them push themselves. But
    not really, that momentum of D/W gap isn't even that big, at 4CC V/M beat D/W in SD and they won F/D also with the help of V/M little incident
    and by Worlds I don't think that will happen, I will literally be shocked if D/W win

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    How the heck is it that Marie Bowness of Canada is the tech specialist for two successive Worlds in ice dance?

    Shin Amano of Japan has been technical specialist in the ladies event for 3 years in a row: 2010, 2011 and 2012. It's not a first, though it wasn't a matter of national favoritism with him, he was pretty strict to all the ladies in the end(even stricter to Mao in 2010). Let's see the competition outcome before, it might turn out alright.

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    What it does say, is there are not enough technical specialists yet in either ladies or dance; it is one of the things about IJS that annoys me. My preference would be that the specialist would not be from the top 3 ranked countries in a championship event (Worlds, 4CCs, Europeans, GPF).

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    Then you would have TSpecs from BLR, UZB, EST, GEO. And if those countries don't have Tspecs, guess who would lend some to them?

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