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    News MILTON: Glory days are gone for Canadian figure skating

    LONDON, ONT. It has been more than a decade since Salt Lake City, and not only are the scars still evident, some of the original wounds have yet to heal.

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    His brief recap Of the pairs scandal is just fundamentally wrong. Extreme north amrican bElief that sale and Pelletier was robbed and were not only technically perfect but artistically perfect lead to extreme intolerance that the result wasn't 9-0 for sale and Pelletier. They did everything to get s and p that gold.

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    Part of that is Skate Canada’s own doing. Until the Canadians in Mississauga this year and these Worlds, the organization neither mined nor stimulated the southern Ontario market (still Canada’s richest and most populous) remotely enough. They’ve ignored Hamilton for a decade, despite its founding-father status as a game changer.
    I hope some Canadians will explain what the above is about? Clearly there are CanSkate programs in southern Ontario, and successful skaters from the area. And there was a Worlds in Ottawa in 1984, which I would think was in southern Ontario?

    What hasn't Skate Canada done for the southern Ontario section that they should have done?

    And part is bad luck: the 2002 scandal; the ability in the most computer-literate of all sports to experience top programs via YouTube rather than live. And when Chan won his first Worlds two years ago, what should have been a seminal moment for a new era of vast attention to the sport was lost because the event was shifted from its scheduled time and place because of the earthquake in Japan, and held in Moscow nearly two months later. No wonder Chang went unrecognized for so long.
    Perhaps Chan would be more recognizable if people in the Canadian press didn't spell his name "Chang"
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    I didn't realize Virtue and Moir, or even Chan, were favored to repeat as world champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I hope some Canadians will explain what the above is about? Clearly there are CanSkate programs in southern Ontario, and successful skaters from the area. And there was a Worlds in Ottawa in 1984, which I would think was in southern Ontario?

    What hasn't Skate Canada done for the southern Ontario section that they should have done?
    This article appears to be more-or-less a re-write of the previous Mojo article. It basically mentions all of the same points using different wording.

    I am not certain what he means by implying Skate Canada is neglecting Southern Ontario. SCI 2010 was in Kingston (south-east Ontario), SCI 2011 was in Mississauga (south-central Ontario), SCI 2012 was in Windsor (also southern Ontario), Canadian Nationals 2013 was in Mississauga (south-central Ontario), Worlds 2013 in London (south-western Ontario). Perhaps this reporter is not a Figure Skating fan, and is not aware of the existence of SCI events?.

    Agreed, I would like to see an event at Copps Coliseum in Hamilton again. But since I live near that area, I am somewhat biased. After they retire, at least I will have the opportunity to continue watching V/M during CSOI at Copps.

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    Ah well, tepid summary, some grammatical mistakes, and ho hum conclusions. Also, I doubt that "Chang" will ever be recognized.

    I do definitely agree though that "Budweiser Gardens" renaming is not only sad, it's criminal.

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    Neither Kingston nor Ottawa are considered part of Southern Ontario. They are part of Eastern Ontario. Toronto is usually considered on its own, and Hamilton might get lumped in with it. London and Windsor are definitely Southern Ontario. I think the generally accepted borders for the region would be everything west of Toronto down to Windsor. I agree that Milton didn't really think about all of the competitions that have been held there when he wrote his thoughts, but I often find I disagree with his assessments.

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    I was speaking geographically, since I assumed that would be how Milton was thinking. I understand Skate Canada divides the province differently for regional competition purposes, but it seems unlikely Milton would know this information. Geographically, everything (more-or-less) below Algonquin park is Southern Ontario. East/West would be independent of North/South, hence the reason I made references to south-east and south-west, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvi5 View Post
    Perhaps this reporter is not a Figure Skating fan, and is not aware of the existence of SCI events?
    Steve Milton has reported on figure skating for decades. He is the author of numerous books about the sport.

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    I guess he has no excuses then.

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    Hi rvi5. I wasn't speaking from a Skate Canada perspective. I've lived in all three regions I described and they definitely consider themselves to be separate entities. Ontario isn't simply divided into north and south. Eastern and Central Ontario are their own distinct regions. Milton does know his geography; he just hasn't been thinking enough about recent skaring competitions.

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    MILTON: Glory days are gone for Canadian figure skating

    We appear to still be talking about two different things. You are thinking of the sub-regions, while I am referring to the north/south division of the province. Did you examine the link I provided in my previous post? It has a map showing the accepted north/south border. Southern Ontario is illustrated in red.

    When I had lived in Northern Ontario (Sudbury), I was able to claim a Northern resident deduction on my income tax. Once I moved south (Ottawa, Waterloo, Mississauga, and Hamilton), I was out-of-luck with that claim.


    ETA: The question becomes, is Milton referring to the division of Southern Ontario, or a specific Southern Ontario sub-region. Since he mentions Worlds and Nationals as exceptions, I assumed he was referring to the division. Since London and Mississauga are in different sub-regions (London is South Western Ontario - or simply Western Ontario by Skate Canada's definition), the only way Milton's comments make sense would be if he was referring to the whole of Southern Ontario ie. division as per the Wiki link I provided earlier. That would include Ottawa, Toronto, Mississauga, London, Windsor, etc.

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    As I already mentioned Scott Moir and Patrick Chan are not nice people, poor sportsmen, have no charisma, and are essentialy impossible for even Canadians to root en masse for or get emotionally invested in. If Duhamel & Radford, Osmond, and others can emerge as big stars in the coming years that will help raise Canadian skating popularity again. Unlike the arrogant, self absorded, rude, and completely unlikeable Moir and Chan, these are people that Canadians can warm up to and be excited by their success, medals, and victories, and can being popularity in Canadian skating back up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    As I already mentioned Scott Moir and Patrick Chan are not nice people, poor sportsmen, have no charisma, and are essentialy impossible for even Canadians to root en masse for or get emotionally invested in. If Duhamel & Radford, Osmond, and others can emerge as big stars in the coming years that will help raise Canadian skating popularity again. Unlike the arrogant, self absorded, rude, and completely unlikeable Moir and Chan, these are people that Canadians can warm up to and be excited by their success, medals, and victories, and can being popularity in Canadian skating back up again.
    Trying to blame the decline of Figure Skating in Canada on Scott and Patrick, because you personally hate them.


    I don't know what you currently do for a living, but you should seriously consider becoming a comedian instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatEll View Post
    Trying to blame the decline of Figure Skating in Canada on Scott and Patrick, because you personally hate them.


    I don't know what you currently do for a living, but you should seriously consider becoming a comedian instead.
    I dont personally hate either skater, in fact I still root for Virtue & Moir by virtue of the fact I love their dancing (despite that Scott is a terrible sportsman and poor quality human being). I also did not blame them for the decline in Canadian skating interest. I merely pointed out why their success has done nothing to rise it back up. The decline happened after SLC for a variety of reasons, and the success of Chan and V&M did not cause it to decline further, it simply did little to raise it back up to any great degree however, in large part due to how unlikeable Moir and Chan are that it is hard to get overly enthused about their success. I do predict if Duhamel & Radford, Osmond, Moore-Towers & Moscovitch, Weaver & Poje, possibly even Reynolds go on to win medals over the next 4-5 years with V&M and Chan retiring after Sochi, that the interest in Canadian skating will climb back up as there will be some very likeable people winning medals and titles, and that is what it takes to truly grab the Candian public imagination again. Dont agree with me, I dont give a darn, you will see like as always I will end up being right over the next 5 years, just like I am on all my predictions it seems.

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