2013 Worlds Ladies SP

CanadianSkaterGuy · Mar 14, 2013

I'm hoping Carolina puts down a clean free because as far as I'm concerned she hasn't earned the position she's in now. It would be a travesty if she skated like at Euros and was still held up on PCS over another clean skate from Murakami or Osmond. It's a shame because she's a lovely skater, and getting held up isn't her fault, but I just wish she'd actually skate well and score big so we wouldn't have to justify her placements.

I'm hoping the judging panel for the FS gets a stiff talking to, because you can bet everyone is up in arms about Kostner. Let's face it. A fall in the SP should immediately put you out of podium position if there are several other clean skates, not second.

dwiggin3 · Mar 14, 2013

aftertherain said:
Maybe it's:

A fall = risk at attempting a jump.

Pop = no risk at attempting a jump.

I can respect this and to a degree understand it but I have to wonder how many people will then just try a jump they know they will more often than not fall on only to get a "higher" score than if they just popped it.

treeloving · Mar 14, 2013

I just realize that Kostner fall in the same way as she did in European!

Ziggy · Mar 14, 2013

Art&Sport said:
And under the wildly variant and forever rule-changing scoring system, a case can be made for ANYTHING!

No it can't because only the current rules apply. Past ones are irrelevant.

Art&Sport said:
Yes Carolina is a fine skater, but she didn't stand up under pressure. Caro was scored individually in a way that other skaters without the rep and political backing are not scored for their good qualities, but are dumped on heavily for making one mistake.

That applies to all skaters though and not just Kostner.

Art&Sport said:
Ya know, Osmond is a really good skater, but she doesn't have to pay any dues at all. First year in seniors and she's flying high because she delivered with good tech and cutesy-cute posing. "I'm skating in Canada, home-country, look at me peeps."

Whether it's her first or tenth year is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is what she has actually delivered on the day. And it wasn't 'cutesy-cute poising'. Her movements were well extended and delivered with attack and charisma. And most importantly they reflected the character of the music. Even if the music was off, you'd immediately know she was skating to Latin music because that's what she moved like. Choreography and transitions were complex. The whole package was there.

The only thing I can find to fault about that program is her posture (she has the turtle thing going on).

FlattFan said:
To those to criticize Mao's 3A got +GOE. I think that's wrong, but not totally out of line in this event
Some judges gave Adelina +GOE for her UR and double footed combo.
Same with Gracie

Yes. Nobody is criticising Asada but rather the clueless judges.

dwiggin3 said:
EXACTLY what is wrong with the judging. I'm not sure if I would say a popped jump is better than a fall but a fall should NOT be better than a pop.

It should. A pop = no jump. A fall = jump where everything worked other than the landing.

It's the rotation part that is the hardest in jumping.

I've j done a single flip just now on the floor. I won't do a double flip though. Or a triple. Because I don't have the technical ability required to do it.

FlattFan said:
What don't you get? She made one mistake, but everything else was first rated. Her PCS alone should beat both of these girls. She was gaining points on all other elements. There are 7 of them, btw.

This is what's so frustrating. Just because a skater falls, people suddenly stop noticing everything else.

And why is a fall worse than many other mistakes? What's so special about falls?

Mrs. P said:
Looking at Yuna's program, I do think she was a bit underscored. I didn't think she was that tense at all. The spins weren't the best, but I thought she did a good job interpreting the music.

I'd say she should had had 70-71ish, even with the edge call.

That's probably because of skating so early.

sk8ingcoach · Mar 14, 2013

Mao popped the jump of steps which is required to be a triple. She received almost 0 points for that element because it received all -3 for a single. Carolina received -2 and -3 for a triple so of course she is going to receive more points. Its simple

aftertherain · Mar 14, 2013

dwiggin3 said:
I can respect this and to a degree understand it but I have to wonder how many people will then just try a jump they know they will more often than not fall on only to get a "higher" score than if they just popped it.

At the same time, a bad, bad fall can spell injury, so if a skater knows that their position in the air or something to that effect isn't good at all, I think popping the jump is just a better course of action.

katia · Mar 14, 2013

pangtongfan said:
I think alot of you complaining about some of the scores like Kostner supposably being too high, Osmond too low, etc...are forgetting skate order makes a big difference in the scores. It also doesnt mean the judges are wrong either, it is human nature to consider there are skaters left and you dont know what they will do.

I think Wagner or Osmond have a good shot at the bronze. No way Murakami stays in 3rd, she was never a good LP skater. Mao will still probably get 3rd if she skates even decent though.

Frankly I would be happy if Osmond will be in the first 10, overall. I will be ecstatic if she will be in the first 5 or higher. I also hope Wagner will be high. But Mao has great free program , and the Russians may skate clean,. So it is not that everything is already fixed and done.

Kissx3 · Mar 14, 2013

FlattFan said:
She got above 70 twice this season in the SP.

Thanks, I had read otherwise. Not too far off from where she should be, then, all things considered.

I hate that falls are considered to be such a minor error under this system, personally. Skaters should be buried for a fall.

koatcue · Mar 14, 2013

I think I'll make a crazy dance on video if Russia somehow retains 3 spots:yay:

yuki · Mar 14, 2013

Kissx3 said:
Thanks, I had read otherwise. Not too far off from where she should be, then, all things considered.

I hate that falls are considered to be such a minor error under this system, personally. Skaters should be buried for a fall.

Agreed. Sometimes it seems that if you have the full rotation, it doesn't matter that much if you actually land the jump or not.

Kinga · Mar 14, 2013

Ziggy said:
Osmond should have been third. Very good choreography delivered with a lot of attack and confidence and huge powerful jumps.

If so, it should be in expense of someone. Who? Definitely not Kanako. I can only see Kostner making place for Osmond's 3rd place in the SP

Art&Sport · Mar 14, 2013

Ziggy said:
No it can't because only the current rules apply. Past ones are irrelevant.

That applies to all skaters though and not just Kostner.

Whether it's her first or tenth year is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is what she has actually delivered on the day. And it wasn't 'cutesy-cute poising'. Her movements were well extended and delivered with attack and charisma. And most importantly they reflected the character of the music. Even if the music was off, you'd immediately know she was skating to Latin music because that's what she moved like. Choreography and transitions were complex. The whole package was there.

The only thing I can find to fault about that program is her posture (she has the turtle thing going on).

Yes. Nobody is criticising Asada but rather the clueless judges.

It should. A pop = no jump. A fall = jump where everything worked other than the landing.

It's the rotation part that is the hardest in jumping.

I've j done a single flip just now on the floor. I won't do a double flip though. Or a triple. Because I don't have the technical ability required to do it.

This is what's so frustrating. Just because a skater falls, people suddenly stop noticing everything else.

And why is a fall worse than many other mistakes? What's so special about falls?

That's probably because of skating so early.

In Your Opinion, Ziggy. My opinion is different. Who are you?? Cinquanta!!!? Just because you say so, don't mean everything you say is written in stone.

katia · Mar 14, 2013

koatcue said:
I think I'll make a crazy dance on video if Russia somehow retains 3 spots:yay:

I don't think so. But they may.
What I want is two spots for Canada. Two spots. That's all I want. :clap:

Mathman · Mar 14, 2013

Art&Sport said:
I'm personally fed up with skaters around the World training in the U.S. and gaining an edge, while our equally good skaters get dissed right and left from the way the system is structured, from their own federation, from partisan politics and from ISU judges.

That's no way for a patriotic American to talk! "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Ziggy · Mar 14, 2013

Kinga said:
If so, it should be in expense of someone. Who? Definitely not Kanako. I can only see Kostner making place for Osmond's 3rd place in the SP

She should have beaten Murakami. Better choreography, more transitions, much much better jumps.

Kostner is in a completely different league.

Art&Sport said:
In Your Opinion, Ziggy. My opinion is different. Who are you?? Cinquanta!!!? Just because you say so, don't mean everything you say is written in stone.

The problem is, whilst you keep complaining about the results, I haven't seen you yet make a single argument or give a single reason for why a particular skater was under or overmarked.

koatcue · Mar 14, 2013

katia said:
I don't think so. But they may.
What I want is two spots for Canada. Two spots. That's all I want.

I think Osmond has a chaaaance for bronze. Mao suffers from URs

lavender · Mar 14, 2013

FlattFan said:
Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
Gracie lower PCS than Osmond

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FlattFan said:

And that should be the case.

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I agree. I'm not a fan of neither but people really think their pcs are should be the same.

andyjo24 · Mar 14, 2013

koatcue said:
I think Osmond has a chaaaance for bronze. Mao suffers from URs

Mao may fall off the podium again because of her URs. It's such a pity...

katia · Mar 14, 2013

Mathman said:
That's no way for a patriotic American to talk! "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free... I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

True. But the thing is that this "poor, tired and so on" should STAY and WORK for the country it gave them place. What they do is to use that country and do not feel the respect for the country which received them.

koatcue · Mar 14, 2013

andyjo24 said:
Mao may fall off the podium again because of her URs. It's such a pity...

These ladies, except Yuna, are very unpredictable - everything can change in the free...Mao can be super-duper or bomb

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