It was Mao that said 'Congratulation' to Yuna, as it should be, since Yuna won.Originally Posted by venlac
Doesn't mean they're necessarily friends. I don't think they can just be friends given the noise that surrounds them. But they are civil to each other.
Fine, you can say she is uncontrolled and sloppy at her worst, but perhaps you should be more careful in your wording when you say
It's not my fault that you can't articulate clearly.
Let me reiterate. The vehement reaction was because B/S were not clean. If B/S WERE clean and went toe-to-toe with clean S/P, it is extremely unlikely that people would have had that reaction just because you and a handful of others might believe S/P "projected better."
Lots of skating fans still go nuts when a very talented skater with mistakes (especially falls) under the CoP places higher than skaters who go largely clean and perform well.
I am not disagreeing with you that there are some oversensitive ubers. This does NOT mean that there aren't also overeager critics who use the same tired, cliched (by now) phrases such as "she leaves me cold", etc. and time again, it's her fault. Not only is she lacking, but our mind-reading powers reveal she doesn't even try.
The line is drawn, IMO, when the critics make assumptions about her attitude, motivations, and efforts. She's not trying, she's unprofessional and rude (???), she doesn't care or is uninvested in the figure skating, she's just there to punch in, be workmanlike, and leave right on time and cash in her cheque.
And then, on top of that, when there are fans who voice their disagreements, it's only because we are all die-hards/ubers and all of us have to be lumped into one group so that what a couple overzealous fans say in broken English is what the rest of us think/feel, naturally.
YuNa criticism --> zealous bots saying ridiculous things + YuNa-anti's/detractors saying ridiculous or cliched things --> license to insult all YuNa fans
Wash, rinse, repeat. Lots of people aren't involved in this process, but it's definitely there.
I'm late to make this observation, but I thought some other poster would by now, but since no one has, I'd like to point out that Carolina Kostner's 3-3 was under-rotated, and she didn't get a call. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5suwK...yer_detailpage. Sure the under-rotation is borderline, but Mao's flip which got an under-rotation call was more rotated than Carolina's toe loop, I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uVi3...yer_detailpage. So between Carolina's toe loop and Mao's flip, if one of them was going to be called an under-rotation, shouldn't it have been Carolina's toe loop?
So really, shouldn't Carolina have won bronze and Mao silver? Not that I care all that much. But still....
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This.
Can you speak Japanese?
It seems Yuna first came up, and request handshake to mao and she(YuNa) say "Congratulations."
LOL. I don't think it matters who said what first.
We should just re-read the post Mathman just pointed to.
I can speak, read, write in Japanese. It was Mao that congratulated Yuna. Watch the clip carefully. You will see that Yuna came up to speak to the Japanese lady that Mao was talking to. She's a JSF representative. I do believe the JSF rep congratulated Yuna and shook her hand first, and then Mao congratulated Yuna and they shook hands. Yuna's face is shown in the camera, and you can see she is mouthing the word 'Thank you' (or maybe 'Good job.').
Why in the world would Yuna go up and congratulate Mao in the first place? Yuna beat her. It would almost be rude to do that.
Between debating on whether or not it was Yuna or Mao that uttered the word 'Congratulations' and debating on if there was a crucial tech call mistake that flipped the silver and bronze placements, I do believe the latter is the more important one.
Actually, I have another question. The person who takes Mao's picture and says, "Say cheese." Is that Shizuka Arakawa?
Actually, I have another question. The person who takes Mao's picture and says, "Say cheese." Is that Shizuka ArakawaMathman, are you goofing off? Surely you recognize that's Kanako?
I just wish Mao and Yuna weren't in the same era. It's just... I don't know, I just want to see Mao happy and skating to her full potential, and certainly in another time she may have already been an Olympic gold medallist. She might do it in Sochi but IMO Sato has only hurt her skating.
I actually remembered the essay mainly for its incoherence and poor mechanics, but suit yourself. It wasn't your worst effort though; that would likely be the time you called Franz Liszt a composer who only wrote showoff music, described his Piano Concerto No.1 as being "classical" in style, and said it was very "German" of him (how does one get this many things wrong in such a small space?).
Where to start? "Only saving grace"? Sure, brush off 1/3 of the entire program as if it doesn't exist and attack the rest as empty if that suits you. Just don't think it'll convince everyone else. And really, Swan Lake same as Liebestraume? It's about as similar as Yu-na's Giselle and her Les Miserables. Speaking of Giselle, I have to say if that wasn't a complete slaughter of what the composer intended, what is?Were you saying exactly the same during Giselle? Tarasova's intention during Swan Lake was clear: blatantly frontload the program, then do all the choreography once that's finished. This was true for Ladies in Lavender, and even for all of the programs Tarasova did for Yagudin, who is three times the performer Mao will ever be.
It's not that I disagree that the Swan Lake program isn't what Tchaikovsky intended, it's that you think any skating routine using a collection of short cuts from an extended piece of music could be anything but "artistically dishonest" that makes me laugh. Take Yu-na's Les Miserables, for example. It is a huge achievement and the standing ovation she got for it is proof. But do you really think her 4 minute mishmash of songs captures some fundamental essence of the musical? If I wanted this fundamental essence, I would've gone to see the musical. I have seen people claim that over the course of the program she portrays Fantine and Jean Valjean perfectly, and then in this thread someone else is saying that she didn't just portray Eponine, she was Eponine. So which character was she? 1, 2, all 3? All I saw was Yu-na's anguished face, her figure tilted in sorrow, and her arms reaching forward in supplication. It might be more convincing if I hadn't seen the exact same gestures in Giselle. I watched the program to watch Yu-na Kim skate with her trademark speed, jump with her trademark flawlessness, and do nice-looking spins, steps, and choreography in time to the music, not to watch her portray every character in Les Miserables, and I got exactly what I wanted. If you came to watch Mao Asada portray the prince, Odette, Odile, and von Rothbart while doing the elements of a free skating program then I can only express my deepest sympathies. During the music in the first minute of Mao's program, neither White nor Black Swan are even onstage
How fascinating. I intensely dislike Liza and consider Adelina far superior. Li Zijun is wonderful, and she's Chinese (a plus for my ethnic pride)! Mao's Bells to me was probably her 2nd or 3rd-best LP, and Liebestraume after Japanese Nationals 2010 was my least favorite (you can talk about Masquerade but at least she had her pristine spirals there).
well, to be fair, liszt certainly made sure that he could show off with his music.
Mao is never going to beat not only Yu Na Kim but now also Carolina Kostner on GOE and PCS. She has to do a harder jump layout, unless she wants to rely on them making mistakes. Can she do a less hard jump layout, one she might actually have a hope to execute cleanly, but still have enough of a cushion to have a chance. Perhaps, it is up to her to examine that, but she certainly cant do the same difficulty as Kim and Kostner and hope to beat them if they skate cleanly.
As for toe jumps, Kim is probably the best toe jumper ever (the fluke edge call by a ridiculous caller in the SP aside) and Mao flutzes. She will never match Kim on GOE on toe jumps, even if she improves them.
Of course she wouldnt have, and the only major controversial and borderline scandalous result for women this year was Mao`s win at NHK over Suzuki, but of course Mary had absolutely nothing to say on that (predictable). Atleast Kim has never won a single event or medal controversially her whole career, and the only thing you can question sometimes are the scores and margins, but not the actual result. In fact she twice at Worlds was said by many to be possibly robbed of a higher result (Worlds 2008 and even Worlds 2011). Mao and especialy Kostner (I actually love Kostner`s skating apart from the headcaseness but that list for her is a long) certainly cant say they have never won any controversial titles or medals.
Yes, when I originally saw the replay of Carolina Kostner's 3T/3T in the arena, even from a distance, I thought it was clearly underrotated. But her unexpectedly high score meant that they hadn't called it.
I would have had Mao ahead of Carolina overall. However, I would have had Kanako Murakami ahead of both of them, so then Mao would still have been third. Taking into account Kostner's strengths such as her superior skating skills and deserved better GOE for individual jumps cleanly landed, for me personally, Kanako had the second-best overall combination of performance/technical components.
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