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    Quote Originally Posted by mary01 View Post
    oh really, that win was fully deserved, since a win is determined by overall score of the sp and fs, she deserved every inch of it.
    While I agree that it's a combination of SP & FS, Mao did not deserve 117 points in that FS. She was a disaster and I'm sure most would agree that Suzuki was robbed, even with the SP error. Even Mao herself was surprised with the NHK win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    While I agree that it's a combination of SP & FS, Mao did not deserve 117 points in that FS. She was a disaster and I'm sure most would agree that Suzuki was robbed, even with the SP error. Even Mao herself was surprised with the NHK win.
    of course since it was close, and and Akiko did win the free, what she and many others keep forgetting was the huge lead Mao had coming into the fs, and combined it just wasn't enough to overtake Mao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mary01 View Post
    and at least Mao NEVER had anything in her score that stood out. her PCS is comparable from competition to competition and doesn't suddenly rise like crazy with the same content. does this remind you of anyone?
    it sure is a luxury to have to judges favoritism, since they thereby are able to bury every controversial win or medal, by bestowing them with PCS and letting them win by a clear margin...
    The fact that her PCS rose from Cup of China to NHK can be contested, because I would argue the doubling of her jumps and consequent break from the performance DID affect her performance/execution of the program. Her PCS in the short program also rose significantly from Cup of China to NHK. Additionally, she received positive GOE for her doubled loop and flip, even though there was nothing noteworthy about them to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colanboy View Post
    Her PCS in the short program also rose significantly from Cup of China to NHK. Additionally, she received positive GOE for her doubled loop and flip, even though there was nothing noteworthy about them to me.

    Most of the top skater PCS rose as the season went by, that includes Carolina, Ashley, Akiko.... but none of them suddenly rised in PCS and goe the way Kim did. and doubling a jump is penalized in the BV not in goe, since the jump in itself is beautifully executed and goe means grade of execution .

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    If Mao does manage to master a stable lutz technique during the off-season, it would become a different ball game. A short program with four triple jumps would become realistic. Imagine that!

    Get the lutz, Mao!
    A SP with 4 Triples is already realistic for her and has been for 3 seasons in a row now. She doesn't need the Lutz. It blows my mind how her coaching team is holding her back. She could be doing either 3A, 3Loop-3Loop, 3Flip OR 3A, 3Flip-3Toe, 3Loop in the Short Program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    A SP with 4 Triples is already realistic for her and has been for 3 seasons in a row now. She doesn't need the Lutz. It blows my mind how her coaching team is holding her back. She could be doing either 3A, 3Loop-3Loop, 3Flip OR 3A, 3Flip-3Toe, 3Loop in the Short Program.
    She should have been doing that back in 2007-08 and fixing her flutz, then attempting to bring back the Sal. Instead she did what she did, nearly lost her jumps before Vancouver, and even now is still tweaking everything less than a year before Sochi.

    Edit: by "this" I mean 3Loop-3Loop, flip and 2A.

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    Kanako for 2nd place? I would give -GOE for almost all of her jumps. Her technique is horrible. She's luckly to even score so high. Kanako was overscored massively in TES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    But I would have certainly put Li over her and Asada in the FS (the 8 points that Li beat Kostner technically was made up by a 12-point PCS gap).
    And she deserved bigger PCS gap. Caro's programs are masterpiece. You're comparing a child and a woman. No contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Kanako for 2nd place? I would give -GOE for almost all of her jumps. Her technique is horrible. She's luckly to even score so high. Kanako was overscored massively in TES!
    I agree she gets generous GOE on some of her jumps, even her clean jumps are not that good and her toe jump technique is awful and they are awful to look at even when she does them, but she also gets some unjustified < calls (no matter how fugly the jumps are rotated is rotated), and her PCS deserve to be higher than they often are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    A SP with 4 Triples is already realistic for her and has been for 3 seasons in a row now. She doesn't need the Lutz. It blows my mind how her coaching team is holding her back. She could be doing either 3A, 3Loop-3Loop, 3Flip OR 3A, 3Flip-3Toe, 3Loop in the Short Program.
    Mao only started doing a 3A at Four Continents, so a realistic possibility to do a four triple program is only now coming into fruition. Besides, Mao won all her competitions except World this season, and so it wasn't necessary, and I think Mao and her coaching team are planning for her to peak at Sochi.

    This time at World, it would have been only the second time for her to attempt a 3-axel, and so the priority was probably to get that 3-axel ratified so that they could assess the likelihood of a successful ratification. Given that Mao was able to rotate it despite the different rink size and not being able to practice it in the 5-minute warmup, their confidence level must have gone right up. Mao was so, so brave to go for it in the short.

    I have heard that Mao does practice the 3loop-3loop as well as the 3flip-3toe, but I have a feeling their team feels that her 3flip-3loop has the highest chance of getting ratified. It really does look good in the practice clips. Point-wise, 3A, 3Flip-3Loop, 3Lutz would be the best of the best. If no lutz, yes, 3A, 3Loop-3Loop, 3Flip seems possible, but 3loop-3loop will probably be even more harder to get ratified than a 3flip-3loop.

    I so worry about Mao's health. Both the axel and loop are very hard on the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    A SP with 4 Triples is already realistic for her and has been for 3 seasons in a row now. She doesn't need the Lutz. It blows my mind how her coaching team is holding her back. She could be doing either 3A, 3Loop-3Loop, 3Flip OR 3A, 3Flip-3Toe, 3Loop in the Short Program.
    I understand the decision of not trying 3F-3T at first, since her 3T at the end of a combo wasn't very good back in 2008 but now seeing her improving her 2A-3T so much (her 3T is very high and it seems rotating it isn't a problem anymore - her UR at 2013 4 Continents was undeserved IMO- ). I think it's time to try the 3F-3T. 3L as the second jump in the combination is next to impossible to get ratified. But to be honest, it's a very risky jump content. She had only one clean SP with a 3A in 2 years and this without a 3-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mary01 View Post
    oh really, that win was fully deserved
    Yes and you are one of the only ones who think that, LOL! Even Mao herself knows she shouldnt have beaten Suzuki there and looked embarassed by it. Had that been Worlds instead the outcry would have been even bigger than Chan's win.

    Ashley winning the U.S title over Gold was nowhere near as controversial as the NHK result (and Gold was gifted in the short program to even be as high as she was there), and Carolina winning Europeans wasnt even a controversial result at all. You are living in your own World I am afraid.

    Lastly you, YOU calling others trolls, ROTFL!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Yes and you are one of the only ones who think that, LOL! Even Mao herself knows she shouldnt have beaten Suzuki there and looked embarassed by it. Had that been Worlds instead the outcry would have been even bigger than Chan's win.
    Mao didn't deserve to win 2012 NHK trophy. But I think that's the only win she didn't deserve. Even Yuna had one GP win with a terrible skate back in 2009-2010 season and she beat a clean Rachel if I recall correctly. Mao got her share of underscoring too sometimes. (2010 Worlds, for example). Judging errors happen, let it go. It's not the skaters fault. Fortunately it didn't happen at worlds and the placings are quite fair, in spite of 118 pages of silly argues (we all agree with the winner and more or less with the other 2 medalists).

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    Huh...disgusting?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHrWWWdp-g

    How is that disgusting? Because she bumped Kwan off the podium?

    Why is it that when a poster says something negative about early-Seniors Kostner, they seem to be die-hard Kwan fans?
    I dont see why Kwan fans (the ones that are) are even upset that Kostner medalled over Kwan that year. I am a Michelle Kwan myself, but Kwan skated awful at those Worlds and did not deserve a medal. I am surprised she was even as close to one as she was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    Mao didn't deserve to win 2012 NHK trophy. But I think that's the only win she didn't deserve. Mao got her share of underscoring too sometimes. (2010 Worlds, for example).
    I remember there was a Controversy in 2008 worlds.
    And she was held up by high pcs of the past two years when she was not top class and her tes was so low.
    and.. would you explain what was the unfair judgment to mao in 2010 worlds?

    Even Yuna had one GP win with a terrible skate back in 2009-2010 season and she beat a clean Rachel if I recall correctly.
    rachel did not cleaned at SP, fall on 3-3. yuna was 17.48 points ahead in SP.
    In fs, she no fall and 3lz→2lz, got "<" on two jumps, lost to clean Rachel Flatt in FS.
    And Rachael Flatt's jump quality was not good at all. In 09-10 season, yuna usually win by more than 20 points difference with 2rd, and had received 200 +.(by huge TES). But in skate america, she won by 187.

    Then what do you think about 12-13 coc?
    In SP, 1rd=julia, 2rd=mao 3rd=mirai
    In fs, julia had almost perfect program(without 3f with "e") and that program was the highest base value in that event.
    mao had terrible skate. (sorry, You said "terrible skate" to yuna's program that missed at three jumps ) 2a+3t<< / 3f< / 3lz→2lz with "e" / 3f< / 2lo<. only 3 triple jumps and no triple-triple, she win in FS.

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