04-03-2013, 12:07 AM
My reasoning goes the other way. Kostner can fall on a 3-3 attempt and still be just 3-points shy of a clean Kim.
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
Might as well go for glory with a 3F-3T in both SP and LP. Because if she does land it, it's breathtaking and her marks should go through the roof.
04-03-2013, 12:48 AM
No they could clearly have been like zijun li or Gracie gold and had done better. Top 10 was not good enough. Li placed 4th in the fs and so could sonikova and tuktamisheva but their worlds were awful. They were very poor and both of them need to get it together and find their inner zijun li's. They want to skate well right? I'm sure they don't want to skate like they did at London worlds ever again in their lives so it's up to them to skate well and all external stuff should be just nonsense to them.
Originally Posted by TontoK
04-03-2013, 01:41 AM
Adelina skated better than Zijun in the SP(no falls from her). And both Adelina and Liza skated better at Euros then Zijun did at 4 Continents. Liza made the GPF this season, for the second time in their career. London 2012 was just a competition, period. Zijun may very well struggle next season. People forget that both here and at 4 Continents she blew her SP. And Gracie? This is the first competition she didn't bomb in one of the phases(SP or LP). Skate Canada was a disaster, Rostelecom Cup was better but her LP was not very good, at nationals she bombed the SP, at 4 Continents she bombed the LP. I am sure neither Liza and Adelina are happy with how they skated but they were not as bad as people are saying. At least Liza landed 6 triples in the LP, two if them being 3Lz. And Adelina didn't melt down like everyone expected but she has UR problems which she has to fix
Originally Posted by gmyers
Adelina and Liza would have been 5th and 6th with their scores at 2012 Worlds. I am sure people would not write them off with that kind of result.
04-03-2013, 02:18 AM
It's different to be at euros and 4cc and do bad or good and be at worlds and be bad or good. Being good at a worlds is better than being good and medaling at euros. Being bad at 4cc is who cares compared to placing in 4th in the fs at worlds. That's where Adelina and liza should have been based on all their talent!! But they didn't deliver. I am not writing them off for any future success but their placement at worlds was no kind of success and medaling at euros does not make up for their doing poorly at worlds. It says something about Gracie and zijun that they both delivered so well at worlds - tHe most important event of a season.
Originally Posted by Mirunna
Li may struggle in the future but at least in her career she delivered a great performance at a senior worlds which for all of their amazing success Liza and Adelina haven't done yet! They may do so in the future but I doubt they will get thereif people say "yay you made the top 10! Good for you Liza and adleina!!" and don't point out how Liza did no 3/3 and had a level 1 spin in the fs and bombed the sp and Adelina didn't do a 3 jump combo because she attached it to her worst jump which she does 2 of for some reason - the flip.
04-03-2013, 05:41 AM
Why? Except for the obvious reason that worlds were a qualifying event for Olympics. Euros are almost as prestigious as worlds (at least in Europe) and 4CC is also starting to be a very important event now that North America and Asia are dominating the sport. I don't see how being 7th at worlds is better than medaling at Euros to be honest, no matter how good Zijun was in the LP. Liza's season was better than Zijun Li's, and I might say Adelina's too. Liza placed 4th and second in the GP events(she was really good in TEB), a good showing in the GPF, winning Russian Nationals, having one of the best LP of the season at Euros and placing in top 10 at worlds. Adelina medaled in Nebelhorn Trophy, Skate America and Europeans. Zijun was 4th and 5th at her GP events, 5th in four continents and 7th at worlds. She really had an amazing LP in London and ended her season on a high note but that doesn't take away the fact that she didn't medal in any big international competition so far. She did better than the Russian ladies at worlds but a 7th place overall is not that much better than 9th and 10th IMO. I do admit that Li was somehow underscored in 4CC and her consistency is getting much much better than the Russian ladies so far. Her performance here made the judges finally rewarding her properly and this could benefit her next season.
Originally Posted by gmyers
As to Gracie, this is her first really good competition as a senior skater. She held it together very well and surpassed my expectations. I hope she does it again next season.
04-03-2013, 09:51 AM