03-16-2013, 01:26 PM
bekalc and Robeye - I totally see where you are both coming from and I personally think that quality should be rewarded over difficulty.
It's extremely difficult to strike the right balance, though. I would definitely support changes in this respect but very cautious ones so we don't end up with no risks being taken.
It was a really safe, bland, unimaginative, generic program though. Both SP and FS. He skated well and it flowed and it was pleasing to the eye but meh.
Originally Posted by bekalc
It goes both ways. If you want the judges to mark correctly and not overmark Chan just because he's Chan, then they should also mark Ten correctly and not mark him highly on things like TR and CH just because he skated well and landed his jumps.
And whilst people are saying Chan should have been trashed on PE for a performance that weak (which is true), Ten did not deserve very high PE either since he didn't extend his movements properly, didn't reflect the character of the music with his movement that well and didn't show a lot of projection or attack. It was all a little lukewarm.
03-16-2013, 01:35 PM
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To me, this says that the problem is not with the annual tweaks but with the basic concept itself. If figure skating is not "that kind of sport'" (the kind where your performance is measured according to what you deliver on that particular evening), then why go through the charade of assigning points as if it is?
Originally Posted by Ziggy
Here is where 6.0 is better, IMHO. Ordinal scoring says with honesty and candor, this skater won because a majority of judges felt that he skated the best, in terms of technical competence and performance values. No smoke and mirrors. People are free to disagree with the judges if they want to.
Last edited by Mathman; 03-16-2013 at 01:36 PM.
03-16-2013, 01:44 PM
Because otherwise all those different skills that make up figure skating don't end up getting recognised and you have a situation where only a few things count.
Originally Posted by Mathman
03-16-2013, 01:47 PM
Chan's PCS is inflated.
SS. 9 max. He's good, but he didn't show it last night. It was messy, he didn't show control.
TR. 7. If you do a lot of transitions, but you failed the element, then the transitions shouldn't count as much. They made you fall.
P/E. 7. Was not performing, execution was messy. The whole program was painful to watch. That don't deserve 9+ or even 8+.
IN. 8.5. It was a good interpretation (not counting all the mistakes)
CH. 9. Great choreography. He did all of his choreographed moves.
SS. 8. I thought he was smooth, and effortless.
TR. 7. Not much going on.
PE. 9. Clearly the performance of the night. And my heart was stuck in my throat for the most part. It was satisfying watching him.
IN. 8. Generic interpretation
CH. 8. Generic choreography. Obviously better than Max and others who get high 7. So 8 is appropriate.
So total, Chan would get 40.5 *2 = 81 for PCS
D10 would get 40*2 = 80 for PCS
D10 should win. Both PCS were inflated to insane level, D10 is never 87+ PCS skater. Chan was a mess.
03-16-2013, 01:49 PM
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