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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    That was done in very poor taste. Plenty of people have got into trouble for their tweets on twitter. Ms. Gao seems to lack tact and sportsmanship. Wanna bet how fast this one gets deleted or taken down? I'll give until tomorrow morning + an apology.
    I doubt it. She won't get punished for what most others are saying on Twitter. Also, this tweet does not equal a lack of sportsmanship. Why? Because she wasn't the one competing--if she had been a competitor, that would have been a different story. But here, she was a third-party spectator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    Patrick Chan = two time world fake champion!! Congrats!!
    Well if we are having fake champions we must have fake medallists we would have a huge list - Carolina Kostner, Evan Lycacek, S/S from Germany, Kimmie Meisner (blah), lindemann, Chait and S, ...

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    Joubert lips or flutzes but instead of getting an edge call as per usual it was called what it looked like I think! He doesn't zayak!!! He gets an edge wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Skaters who make the free skate gets at least 16 points. If they finish 15th or higher than they get those corresponding points.

    I'm not exactly sure why they cut it off at 16 points.

    But placements basically 16th to 24th = 16
    Ah thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaiKatze View Post
    I just thought they all lacked, and even though Denis Ten was not bad, he is not the amazing wuzzrobbed Champion people are trying to make him, imho. Compare this event to 2012. Nice was such a joy. London not so much.....I think no one deserved to win here.
    I agree in many ways And 2010 OGM no one deserved it either. @2006 no woman should have won world gold and the list goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Indeed, all those people on GS suddenly demanding that Ten be handed the World title never even talked about this guy before - hey, some didn't even know he existed prior to this competition. What does this say? Ten is at the right place and time. My assessment of his performance tonight is that the scores he received had some psychological boost based on what happened before him. After Chan's skate, I felt extremely disappointed and really didn't want to see him win another World title with such a skate - for his own good and his future development. I am sure many on the judging panel felt the same way too. Therefore, Ten's superior performance became the closest thing to put a nicer cover page on tomorrow's ISU main news site, as opposed to having to describe the World Champion as having two falls and 4 errors in total. If it were not for the fact there was a strong knee-jerk reaction to a "Anyone but Chan", Ten wouldn't have received such high scores, not even close.

    Don't get me wrong. I first saw him at the LA Worlds in 2009 and was very impressed. What I saw tonight up close is a guy who still needs polishing in terms of his in-between and presentation. Not quite at the level to be a solid top 5 in the world, yet. This does not mean he shouldn't be top 5 or on the podium. Rather, in this competition he was better than most but the result is due to poor performances on the part of other skaters who would have easily beaten him if they had skated to their potential.

    You take note of each and every poster who is claiming Ten's robbed in this thread and wait till next season. Trust me, many of them will quickly be changing tune and claim memory loss just as fast when they no longer need Ten to verbally abuse Chan.
    Look I agree with you Wally that Denis got a little lucky a lot of men didn't skate well...However, this is suppose to be a competition not a political game.

    Part of what makes sports existing at least the good ones is that people can come out and pull surprises....That its not predetermined sometimes someone can pull the upset.

    It would be one thing if Patrick had skated similar to how Joubert skated when Daisuke one the free and Joubert won based on the short. In that skate Joubert just played it really safe, he still though skated well. I could live with Patrick winning in that case.

    However Patrick and a lot of the top men were terrible. Daisuke got hit hard for being terrible-why didn't Patrick.

    Denis Ten may need some polishing (although I will say I think in terms of emotions he's better than Patrick) however I would hardly call Ten a sloppy he skater. He's actually a beautiful skater. A part of me prefers the Rach passionate Ten.

    He presented high quality technical content in terms of jumps, excellent spins and a great performance that won him a standing ovation from the guy who was in firsts home country.

    Denis was the only skater in the competition who presented two beautiful programs (not just one) and displayed consistency throughout.

    Will he continue to do this in the future- who knows. It may have been his Buttle moment although he is very young. However the point of the matter he did do that. And his performance was far more watchable than what Chan put out.

    You want to talk about in betweens, well in betweens are good but there was nothing wrong with Ten's program, it was a lovely program, and he actually EXECUTED his program well.

    Its figure skating not figure falling. Staying on your feet and executing your elements should actually matter. I'd have no problem if Chan had fallen once and skated beautifully for the rest. Patrick is a gorgeous skater. But what he put out tonight was not gorgeous skater and didn't merit the highest P/E score of the evening.

    Your whole well nobody talked about Ten in the past highights the issue for everyone. The feeling that Chan is the preedetermined winner. And that it doesn't matter how Patrick skates, the other skates have to be picture perfect and Chan can get away with falling at least 2/3 times. Its ridiculous. nobody considers falling 2/3 times in your performance a good program... Or skating at its best.

    If you can't understand how great it would have been for the sport for somebody to be able to pull out a surprise worlds win. How needed it is for the sport's credibility....

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    There's too many posts that I would like to reply to at this point, but my personal opinion on the matter is that this Worlds is far, far from anything we'd like. Elaboration need not be given, as it would be pretty much redundant. I do agree on other placements, but not the major ones that have been discussed thus far. Great job to Fernandez and Hanyu for giving it their all, and I feel for Daisuke, hope the Olympic spirit is still burning in him. I also feel for Joubert, he may not be everyone's favorite, but I admire how long he's been in the game. My friend and I couldn't understand why he was marked so low when the scores were just up (I was, sadly, unable to watch live), but it's justifiable. What could have been if he had been able to perform another triple.
    So far, V/T's gold is the only indisputable placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Well if we are having fake champions we must have fake medallists we would have a huge list - Carolina Kostner, Evan Lycacek, S/S from Germany, Kimmie Meisner (blah), lindemann, Chait and S, ...
    Wait. How are those "fake" champions? As far as I know, they skated the best the night that it mattered and were within striking distance.

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    I watched the performances and Ten was cleaner by far however the program is sufficiently weaker than Chan, Hanyu, Takahasi, Fernandez et al when it comes to pcs. He just doesn't have the presence or confidence - his skating was a bit tentative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Well if we are having fake champions we must have fake medallists we would have a huge list - Carolina Kostner, Evan Lycacek, S/S from Germany, Kimmie Meisner (blah), lindemann, Chait and S, ...
    at least they dont fall multiple times like Chanflated Fraud

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    Wait. How are those "fake" champions? As far as I know, they skated the best the night that it mattered and were within striking distance.
    Not true - plushenko skated the best at the 2010 Olympics. Not HIS best but the best. No one was close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I watched the performances and Ten was cleaner by far however the program is sufficiently weaker than Chan, Hanyu, Takahasi, Fernandez et al when it comes to pcs. He just doesn't have the presence or confidence - his skating was a bit tentative.
    Once again "confidence is subjective" The fact of the matter is none of the men in question skated well and in some cases were quite disasterous. Ten got a standing ovation.

    We aren't talking about a Timothy Goebel type of skater here.

    I am not sure how multiple falls, pops etc shows "confidence"

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    With the way some people talk, I don't get why we bother have a competition for gold. Just give it to Chan. Let everyone else compete for silver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    The way some people talk, I don't get why we bother have a competition for gold. Just give it to Chan. Let everyone else compete for silver.
    Like Plushy in 2006, except he never really fell, did he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    Like Plushy in 2006, except he never really fell, did he?
    So not like Plushy, Plushenko actually delivered his jumps.

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