03-16-2013, 08:41 AM
I'm not sure if it's been brought up here or elsewhere, but here is my reaction to the judging and the scoring system in general even without having seen the men's LPs yet. Why doesn't the sport come up with some sort of system to give greater weight to the long program results? If I understand correctly, right now, points just accumulate. I think fans are used to the long program being more important than the short program and, by extension, they are tired of people who are not the best in the long program winning competitions.
I don't have a "perfect suggestion" for how to properly weight the long program, but perhaps one could start with the old ordinal system and work from there. If the ordinal system were in place, we all know that Denis Ten (1.0 for the SP and 1.0 for the LP) would definitely beat Patrick Chan (0.5 for SP and 2.0 for the LP).
Judges always have the power to mark in a way we disagree with, but I feel like this "accumulated point total" way of scoring is worse than the ordinal system. Also: it was hard for judges to rank skaters in the past in relation to others because of just two marks and there being a 6.0 cap for "perfection". Now, with so many different things being judged, judges theoretically "should" have the freedom to properly mark all components and then have the computer tabulate point totals without ordinals being such a heady thing.
Judging the elements separately doesn't seem so bad (TES is not "evil" in my mind compared to a 6.0 system) and I don't know that PCS is "worse" than giving some generic "artistic impression" or "presentation" mark out of 6.0, but I do think the way final results are tabulated is "wrong."
What do you think?
03-16-2013, 08:42 AM
We will never agree. All of us have free minds, our own biases, sometimes agenda, heck maybe even other influences. This year's world championships in me and well so far in pairs has not been a wonderful array of top level athletic and artistic skating. Having Denis Ten as gold medallist would not be a true champion. When I review his skate it was less artisitc than in the past and really his skills aren't up to the top men (Dai, Patrick, Fernandez, Hanyu). And technically he was no great marvel either compared to what we have seen so what no gold. Skating is a two program competition with pcs and tes. You make mistakes and you are penalized technically whcih may affect pcs a lot somewhat or hardly at all. Patrick was penalized in both scores and rightfully so but really overall who else was there for the podium or gold. Denis is almost like Kimmie Meissner but not really - kind of a contradiction. Kimmie won in 2006 wiht ht eskate of her life and amazing technical arsenal. Denis as much as many of us have loved was not an artisitic marvel and was not a technical marvel and wasn't even clean like ho hum Evan.
The scoring system is what it is . Patrick maybe needs to work on conditioning AND we know he needs a real coach. Fortunately those on these posts are die hards because all our bickering, or debating and discussion surely does no add to the credibility of the sport. Really the whining of SLC was a large part of the down fall of skating.. Yes 6.0 and COP hard to understand but diehards who are objective can see how the system work ie. B and S could be second technically but win because they were deemed best at artistry which even moreso open to interpretation under 6.0. Its like the law you may know someone did it but apply the legal test and y ou get a not guilty verdict ie. OJ Simpson. What a sport really is is applying these rules or parameters but if you don't understand those parameters (scoring system) well yeah the sport might look corrupt. Yes folks it said take off 10 points for a fall then patrick would lose but no you lose 1 for the fall plus goes. that is the rule under COP. You don't have to like it but those were or are the parameters. Moreover this year the skating was for lack of words poor.
the other issue why are people so hard on patrick. What about mao, Carolina, Ssquared who constantly are held up with mistakes - I do not hear the uproar. From the experts (judging community and commentators) patrick's skating skills are comparatively relatively higher than all of them who are top notch. Yet the uproar is a whimper. The Germans should be persecutued, tarred and f eathered for what happened yesterday. And Kostner has gotten away with some stinky performances even the one year when she fell all over the ice the judges held her up but there was not nearly the uproar on this board.
The attitude we suggest on this board does or can influence the public especially as we are so vocal. In many ways we are contributing to the demise of the sport. Whine but what is the solution. If we start penalizing jumps then we might e affecting the risk factors for jumps and who will try what remember it just ain't patrick.
Some of the commnetators explain the pcs and skating skills under COP how the results can happen. Sadly this year Denis was relatively clean but not really the wow factor of Hanyu, Dai, Fernandez or even charismatic Joubert.
If the world read our posts the sport really would be killed.
03-16-2013, 08:42 AM