03-16-2013, 09:22 AM
Well..........judging what a skater will do in the future based on what they did in the past is like pounding sand in a rat hole. You never fill it up and you just make the rat mad! In other words..............pointless!
I don't agree with those that say Patrick is not a great skater. He didn't have a good skate last night - absolutely! But you don't win 3 World championships because of poor judging and bad skates! Does he have to do alot of reflection before next year? Yes. Does he probably have to consider his coaching choices? Yes. But I still think he is one of the more all-around skaters we have right now. There are some that can jump. There are some that have good presentation. There are good spinners and there are men with fleet feet in footwork. But each of them has a weakness somewhere IMO. When Patrick lays down a good skate I don't think there is anybody that can beat him. But like Skater Boy said, we all have our favorites for different reasons. We all have aspects of figure skating that appeal to us more than other aspects. I don't care if someone lands 5 quads in a program if their spins are ugly and their lines are bad. In some ways I wish they would outlaw quads because it detracts from the rest of the program. Young kids coming up are all about the jumps and the rest of their skating suffers! I do get excited when a skater who has been around for a loooooong time puts it all together one more time. But like any sport, some of them stay past their expiration date!
03-16-2013, 09:27 AM
Thank you for your rinkside report!
Originally Posted by starryxskies
Last edited by demarinis5; 03-16-2013 at 09:32 AM.
03-16-2013, 09:33 AM
Agree with you on Patrick. Would Kevin winning have made the judging any more liked? I still like quality over quantity and think Patrick is definitely one of the best if not the best well rounded skater. Not a good night for him after those quads though. I was not really happy with 4cc results either.
03-16-2013, 09:40 AM
I think that's a good idea. I also believe that, except for little things in the system that could be corrected or improved, the main problem are the judges. First it is too much for them to judge in such a short time and second, the GOE scores are given rather arbitrarily. The anonymity just prevents every accountability. So I would like to see those suggested changes. It could help.
Originally Posted by WeakAnkles
03-16-2013, 09:45 AM
One does not simply skate into Pyeongchang
My first reaction after the LP was sadness for him. (I never would've thought he would get away with it...) He started doing so good - I was really enjoying his performance! I really think he improved artistically this year..... and then it all fell apart. The first mistake was a lapse of concentration, but I wonder what happened after that. He should've been so confident. He was skating at home with a huge advantage! The quads were awesome. I just don't know what happened and that makes it so frustrating. Now people say he didn't deserve to win. He could've shut up all the naysayers, but then goes and does something like this. Maybe we should analyze why this happened....
Originally Posted by figuristka
03-16-2013, 09:54 AM
He won 2 worlds with 2 VERY bad skates in the LP, that's exactly why it is so revolting. If falls are appealing to you, go watch Kim Kelly in 1990 chuchini cup on youtube, she falls in every tumbling pass, it's beautiful.
Originally Posted by noskates
03-16-2013, 09:57 AM
if Kim Kelly were a figure skater under COP though she would have won 3 or 4 World AA titles, as that is what COP rewards in the sport now for singles skaters.
Originally Posted by Leonardo
03-16-2013, 10:09 AM
03-16-2013, 10:14 AM
If Denis had not of done the 2F+2T and did a triple combo instead and still came second I would have been annoyed with the result. However I still think the best skater of the competition is Patrick. Due to the great short!
Remember Chan may have made a lot of mistakes but he racks up a lot of points for those 2 quads. Also his in between skating is a lot better, he may not show to much emotion in his skating but it isn't an acting competition. It should come down to who is better at skating, which is CHAN.
03-16-2013, 10:14 AM
And there we go again. *yawn*
Two falls don't mean everything else doesn't count.
A great competition for Denis but his skating is nowhere near Chan's level and both of his programs were quite bland and generic.
A bit of crap event with a lot of errors. The most impressive performances came from the guys lower down the rankings. Liebers and Rogozine were both amazing and gave me goosebumps.
Joubert frustrates me. His technical content is not at the level of the other men and it's just not possible for him to earn a lot of points even if he skates clean (which he didn't).
Sorry but this is generic ranting without any actual thought in it. It basically says: 'I am angry.'
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
The suggestion that ISU should do something just because people are incapable of critical thinking and do not understand neither figure skating, nor the judging system is laughable.
Yes, let's let the angry mob dictate the results, that would be much better.
03-16-2013, 10:26 AM
Modified COP according to this thread
A. Increase fall deduction and -GOE for quads
B. 4t fall< good 3lz or 3f
C. Put +GOE for triples back to +1, +2, +3
D. GOE bullets: meets all for +3, 3/4 for +2, and 1/4-1/2 for +1
E. Fall GOE is -3 regardless of other factors
F. No postive GOE for visible errors
G. Cap PCS depending on errors (ie minor errors capped at 8, 1 fall 7.5, ect)
H. Eliminate the corridor
I. Get rid of anonymous judging
J. SP has set TES, elements rotate each year
K. SP PCS is .8x for all
03-16-2013, 10:28 AM
Bona Fide Member
I have to admit, I really enjoy Max Aaron.
03-16-2013, 10:32 AM
Bona Fide Member
So I guess folks like Todd Eldridge, Johnny Weir, and Christina Gao just don't understand good skating? The issue here is many think that multiple glaring errors should effect your results. Feeling this way doesn't mean you don't understand the sport. Its not like Patrick had one fall and was brilliant elsewhere.
Originally Posted by Ziggy
03-16-2013, 10:33 AM
I'm normally on your side in this debate. I just don't think I am now. I have no problem thumbing my nose at the apostate mob, but I don't think you have to be incapable of critical thinking to find this result spurious at best. It wasn't just the two falls, in my mind.
Originally Posted by Ziggy
03-16-2013, 10:34 AM