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Thread: Is It Time To Deemphasize the Quad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlaurend View Post
    I definitely share that concern, but the truth is, ambitious athletes will always push their bodies to the limit, no matter what. If quads weren't allowed, then the men would practice triple-triple-triples over and over. As I recall, Tara Lipinski messed up her hip practicing too many of that 3Lo-3Lo combo that won her the OGM. They can always find something to over-train!
    I agree re: men will push their bodies anyway. Quads should be rewarded because they take a lot longer to perfect in training, are among the riskiest elements in the program, and are impressive for fans to see.

    It also helps distinguish men's skating from women's. There are things that women do better than men, such as spins and spirals. Without the harder jumps men's skating would be far less interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I agree re: men will push their bodies anyway. Quads should be rewarded because they take a lot longer to perfect in training, are among the riskiest elements in the program, and are impressive for fans to see.

    It also helps distinguish men's skating from women's. There are things that women do better than men, such as spins and spirals. Without the harder jumps men's skating would be far less interesting.
    On the subject of quads, I'm wondering why the gradings of throw quads in pairs doesn't match the grading of quads in singles? It essentially negates any advantage of attempting higher quads, because usually in men's even if you fall on a fully rotated quad should still score higher than a triple. But in pairs, a quad lutz throw is just 9 points. A fall would score 5 points, less than a clean throw 3Z worth 5.5. In singles, a quad lutz is 13.6 points to a triple lutz worth 6, so it makes sense to go for a quad lutz if you can fully rotate it, even if you fall. I understand the man helps the woman get the lift to complete the rotations but still the landing needs to be done.

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    I think yes, but not by much, just a little bit. Now there has been some boring top level skaters who can land two quad salchows in a free skate and barely offer anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moment View Post
    I think yes, but not by much, just a little bit. Now there has been some boring top level skaters who can land two quad salchows in a free skate and barely offer anything else.
    I would hardly call Energizer Bunny Max boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moment View Post
    I think yes, but not by much, just a little bit. Now there has been some boring top level skaters who can land two quad salchows in a free skate and barely offer anything else.
    And if the quads were forbidden, they wouldn't even offer them!

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    Jeremy Ten jokes around a lot on Twitter, so I'm sure his tweet is just for laughs :

    Jeremy Ten ‏@j3r3bear
    Your choreography is beautiful n all...but my quad is more important soooo......GET OUT OF MY WAY! #FigureSkaterProblems
    6:32 PM - 3 Apr 13
    https://twitter.com/j3r3bear/statuse...23573553684480

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I don't see Chan regressing to no quads, especially when his quads are even more reliable than his triple axel.

    The mere suggestion of de-emphasizing quads is just reactionary. Hey, why not ask the ISU to specifically emphasize Chan's 3A and de-emphasize his quad, while emphasizing everyone else's quads and 3As?

    Chan also won because of the base value of his 3F-1/2L-3S sequence; I'm surprised nobody is demanding that 3-jump sequences be restricted to 3-2-2. We should also de-emphasize level 4 footwork, skating skills, transitions, and everything else that could potentially give Chan an advantage over other skaters.
    Agreed, seems reactionary to pose such debates given the context

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