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    Gracie got the same PCS at Worlds, nearly, as she got at US Nationals, with a program that was not as well skated as at Nationals. She earned her second place spot at Nationals, and her trip to Worlds. Furthermore, she finished 6th in her Worlds debut and helped Ashley get those 3 spots for Olympics, one of which Christina may be lucky enough to earn.

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2013/SEG004.HTM
    Gracie's 5th place finish in the Worlds LP, PCS highlighted. Note that again, she beat Ashley in the LP:
    Gracie GOLD USA 125.40 65.22 60.18 7.57 7.25 7.61 7.57 7.61 0.00 #13

    Gracie's winning US Nat's LP scores


    Free Skate Score Executed Elements Factored Program Components Deductions

    132.49 71.14 61.35 0.00

    Comparing Kovtun to Gracie is simply not warranted, particularly when you're trying to make a case for Gao, whose last performance as a junior was last year's Junior Worlds, at which she finished 7th.
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wjc2012/CAT006RS.HTM

    a date that was exactly the same as Gracie's last junior competition and a competition in which Gracie placed 2nd.

    So I see no comparison whatsoever between Kovtun, who finished behind Menshov and Voronov at Russian Nationals & bombed at Worlds, and Gracie, who finished ahead of Mirai, Agnes & Christina at US Nationals, and beat Ashley in the LP, and who finished a very respectable sixth at Worlds in a very competitive field.

    Gracie did not get any outstanding favors. She did not get a Skate America berth, for example. Christina did.

    In fact, in a world where USFS might have been trying to give Gracie advantages, she would have gotten a 2nd JGP assignment in the 2011 2012 season rather than being given her only chance at the very last JGP so there was no way she could earn at JGPF slot.

    So no, I don't see any similarity at all between the Russian fed's treatment of Kovtun & USFSA and Gracie.
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    Courtesy of Dai's Forum.

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    If I remember correctly, Gracie only got the WTT nod last year due to Czisny's withdrawal.

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    Urgh. Edited my post. Angry at life right now and it's just a stream of consciousness. Anyways. Some skaters get noticed by and win the Federations over by a small number of good competition results, and have the support of the Fed thereafter it seems, usually getting the benefit of the doubt even when it may not be warranted. Others do not. They can prove themselves internationally and do very well and still not get the same kind of attention, support, or opportunities from the Federations. Ultimately, if these individuals can do very, very well for themselves internationally, the Fed will take notice, but that still doesn't mean they will be judged as generously as others, or bad competition results won't be overlooked like it will for others, or that they will be assigned to events they arguably deserve more than others on the basis of the competitive results (internationally, recently, or as a whole).

    Basically, let's just say I won't be surprised if Gao gets passed for an Olympic spot by someone skating a lot sloppier, Farris gets only 1 GP, and Brown returns to the JGP.

    As for Kovtun, he will either deliver at the chances he's given or he won't, if he does, he can earn his hype and opportunities like Gold has and the situation becomes a little more understandable. If not, well, it might take awhile but if he consistently underperforms, the Fed will eventually turn its attention elsewhere, though not necessarily to the person who most deserves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kutien View Post
    Not official, I`ve tolk to Alexander Gorshkov - the president of russian figure skating assosiation.
    thanks also next time he should really think and promote/give experience also to Julia Lipnitskaya.

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    silverlake22, Joshua has said that he was offered a Senior GP this year. He, Damon and Christy discussed it and made the choice to stay Junior as they believed that two JGPs, a JGPF (with a medal almost certain), and a calm build-up to Nationals with a return to JWC would be overall better for his scores and his WR than the potential of becoming too nervous at his only GP, not doing so well, and then getting dumped in response or having his confidence shattered going into Nationals. Damon once described Joshua as a very "emotional" skater and mentioned he has a hard time controlling his emotions sometimes. I'd rather see Josh have a magnificent season like this season, than watch his nerves get shattered at a single event and ruin it.

    And Jason never even considered going Senior this year. He knew without the 3A he'd be eaten alive.

    As for next year: the USFSA has a little problem. Max Aaron HAS to have two GPs. Ross Miner ought to get two as well as the silver medallist at Nats. Abbott may once again get two on the back of his bronze, though like you, I'd prefer to see the US not waste a second on him. Then you have Joshua, Jason, Lysacek, Weir (though I have my doubts about those two), Johnson, Dornbush, Rippon and co all fighting for the other GPs. While I can see the sense in Joshua getting two assignments, the USFSA has a problem with not having enough GP slots to go around.

    In any case, Joshua has made a fine case as a contender for Olympic selection and a fine entry into the Senior level. I would have preferred to see him get the Senior exposure at WTT, but as another poster pointed out, he is likely post-season now, and working on graduating high school (he is homeschooled so he may have graduated already, I'm not sure. At any rate, Jason definitely has a graduation to attend, with honours too by the sounds of things).

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    Christina had a great opportunity to ride the momentum she had acquired by two exemplary performances on the GP at the GPF. Unfortunately, she did not do well there. She also had three opportunities at Junior Worlds and finished eighth, fourth, and seventh.

    http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00027952.htm
    At the GPF, she was almost 20 points behind the fifth place finisher, Tuktamysheva.

    This is exactly what she did in the 2010/2011 season when she finished 6th at the JGPF
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00007230.htm


    When looking for a girl to earn back the third place spot, which truly would you choose?

    A girl who had 5 opportunities at a big international event and had struggled at all of them, had a silver and bronze at her GPs, and whose finish at US Nationals in seniors has been 5th for four years running (Gao); or a girl who had had a silver medal at Junior Worlds, a win in her only ever JGP, a silver medal at her second GP, and completely bombed her first GP (Recall that 4CC's had not occurred when this choice had to be made, and won US Juniors and finished 2nd in US Seniors in her first 2 US Nationals appearances (Gold)? Gracie is sort of 50/50 on big events, but Christina 0 for 5 (0 for 9 if you count 4 Senior Nationals).

    Christina earned a lot of chances, and frankly, did not make the most of them. She seems to be doing better in Boston! I would not be surprised to see her at Skate America again. For one thing, Gracie & Ashley are both seeded in the same group and cannot be at the same GP, so there will be two spots for US girls at SkAm that didn't go to Worlds. I wish Christina every success and a lot of improvement in the coming years.

    Yes, it is true that some skaters luck out, particularly when they perform will at their first ever big championships-I'm thinking Dornbush & Kovtun at their respective JGPFs and I&K. Sometimes the adulation by the Feds seems to go on far too long. Dornbush's 4CC's berth last year was a particularly heinous demonstration of favoritism.

    However, as much as Gracie's rise may seem quick to you, it is based on talent and hard work and pretty good results, not any particular favors. It isn't like Ouriashev is a master politicker in any case, and he doesn't work in Colorado Springs where it is darn easy to politick USFSA because they are so close to the Broadmoor.

    Josh will get 2 GPs. Whether SkAm is one of them, I can't say. He is going to be about 12th or so in the rankings, once the 3 years ago rankings are purged, and his season's best total score is also top 24. He will almost surely get 2 invites this year. The extra year in juniors beefed his rankings up very nicely.

    Jason will only be about 20th in rankings. He might get 2 invitiations or not. USFSA might want him back on the JGP exactly because he's unlikely to make a big splash yet in seniors, and it's a good place for him to work on getting a quad, something that is completely necessary these days again in men's.

    All of these kids are talented, and I look forward to seeing them do well next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I believe the rule is that you HAVE TO compete at WTT if you are the top ranking skater/couple (two two for singles) AND you finish top 10 at Worlds. Otherwise everything is fair game.
    Not so simple.
    Team may be substituted by other team if includes skaters who are not highest in ranking.
    But ISU may allow not highest ranked skaters/couples in team.

    Remember past season, Ladies. Gracie Gold was not top ranking (one JGP Event, second place at WJC), but was at US team although there were several higher ranked US Ladies.

    Yes, everything that ISU allows is fair game.

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    Yes, the ISU definitely plays Calvin Ball with the rules of WTT.

    http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00007230.htm

    Calvinball is a game invented by Calvin in which one makes the rules up as one goes along. Rules cannot be used twice. No Calvinball game is like another. The game may involve wickets, mallets, volleyballs, and additional equipment as well as masks.

    There is only one permanent rule in Calvinball: One can't play it in the same way twice. For example, in one game of Calvinball, the goal was to capture one's opponent's flag, whereas in a different game of Calvinball, the goal was to score points by hitting badminton shuttlecocks against trees using a croquet mallet. An apparent rule in Calvinball is that one must wear a black mask and that one isn't allowed to question the mask. Another apparent rule is that any new rule made up by each player must be accepted. A third apparent rule is that you cannot make any plays you made in a previous game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theresa View Post
    W/P are going to WTT instead of V/M. Cant say that I am surprised....
    Me too, and now that D/W have WD, too, I think that 90% B/S will win... I'm not sure, but I don't think that P/B are going, too: because of his injury their Worlds result was not so good, and I don't think that they want to risk a worse injury because of a WTT, so C/J will probably go...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    You should really pay attention to what she produced on the ice lately. She didn't fall and only singled a jump at her last 2 competitions (Europeans and Worlds). I know she had many other technical issues but that doesn't make her a headcase. She stayed on her feet and attacked her programs pretty well. She is Russia's best lady skater at this point also, this including your beloved Julia
    I agree: I'm an Adelina fan, but it's evident that she's the best Russian lady at the moment, for me. I saw her at Euros, and I can tell you that there's no comparison between her SS and Liza's, and in the last big competitions she has been a lot more consistent than Liza (Euros, Adelina two good programs, only one mistake, Liza two mistakes in the SP, excellent FS; worlds, Adelina quite good SP and a couple of mistakes in the FS, Liza disastrous SP again, a couple of mistakes in the FS) and her scores have been a lot better than Julia's even with the mistakes; the only other girl that is as good as Adelina at the moment is Radionova.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    I agree: I'm an Adelina fan, but it's evident that she's the best Russian lady at the moment, for me. I saw her at Euros, and I can tell you that there's no comparison between her SS and Liza's, and in the last big competitions she has been a lot more consistent than Liza (Euros, Adelina two good programs, only one mistake, Liza two mistakes in the SP, excellent FS; worlds, Adelina quite good SP and a couple of mistakes in the FS, Liza disastrous SP again, a couple of mistakes in the FS) and her scores have been a lot better than Julia's even with the mistakes; the only other girl that is as good as Adelina at the moment is Radionova.
    Radionova should not be in this topic as she is ineligible even for Olympics
    other than you call flapping arms and always smiling as better, Radionova is not better than the three nor are her tiny jumps.

    imo though this is unwise of the Fed to send Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva
    as they should also invest heavily on Julia

    this list is not yet final
    I think final announcement Gorshkov will include Julia. Tuk will probably not go as Mishin might be against another burnout

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Radionova should not be in this topic as she is ineligible even for Olympics
    other than you call flapping arms and always smiling as better, Radionova is not better than the three nor are her tiny jumps.

    imo though this is unwise of the Fed to send Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva
    as they should also invest heavily on Julia

    this list is not yet final
    I think final announcement Gorshkov will include Julia. Tuk will probably not go as Mishin might be against another burnout
    I don't think Julia has "it" factor that many other talented girls, Yuna, Mao, Caro, Gracie, Adelina, and even Kaetlyn has. Russian Fed is obviously wants at least one Russian lady to be on the podium for Sochi-and I doubt Julia will be on the Olympic podium next year. Even top 10 is not a lock. Judges probably would give Julia low PCS(less than 60) and her jumps aren't impressive enough to get 2 or 3 +GOEs. Plus, her flip and lutz are really inconsistent. This season she's already received edge calls on both her flip and lutz.

    And Radionova doesn't just smile when she's skating-she shows various of expressions throughout her programs. Julia doesn't even try to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Radionova should not be in this topic as she is ineligible even for Olympics
    other than you call flapping arms and always smiling as better, Radionova is not better than the three nor are her tiny jumps.

    imo though this is unwise of the Fed to send Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva
    as they should also invest heavily on Julia

    this list is not yet final
    I think final announcement Gorshkov will include Julia. Tuk will probably not go as Mishin might be against another burnout
    It was a general opinion about the Russian ladies, not specifically about WTT...

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    As for WTT-Russian Fed should send 2 ladies that are likely to be at Sochi, and that's Liza or Adelina. I'm not sure if they should really send Kovtun there, but if other Russian skaters aren't hoping for a spot at WTT, he should go.

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    I don't think Lacoste will go for Canada. SC needs to get one of those younger girls some international experience going into the Olympic year for the second ladies spot Canada now has. Look for Daleman or Chartrand to go. I would bet on Daleman. Does the same age rule apply for WTT as Worlds?

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