If we take the Philosophy of Jenaj to its logical conclusions, then even Americans are merely suffering from a temporary delusion that they count; the only countries that should or will matter, because they are Big Ponds, are China and India.
Thank you, jenaj, for clearing that little matter up.
-with exactly 42 posts and a membership extending back to all of December 2012, why do you believe you have the hoary standing to make grand pronouncements in blanket fashion about a very large number of other members with whom you are not familiar?
-is your demonstrated history of involvement on this forum so distinguished, either in quantity or quality, that it should be obvious to the rest of us that you love "FS itself", and do not have your own agenda or preferences?
-do you have an intimate familiarity with Korean society and the figure-skating community there? Are you some kind of scholar who has done field work on the subject, or a professional pollster who has systematically canvassed views from the target group? Or are you merely pulling generalized opinions out of various orifices?
-As per another member's excellent comments (Lilith, I think), do you not believe in dealing in individuals rather than in the propaganda predilection for group accusations? If you disagree with this or that particular post or poster, more power to you if you say so in a reasoned and vigorous manner. I do not appreciate, however, your over-reaching screeds, in fact, I find them offensive, because I am a fan of Yuna. Just as, I believe, Mao fans and Carolina fans or the fans of any skater would not appreciate such tactics in their own cases.
-Perhaps you ought to consider what it means to be part of a community, and the minimum level of courtesy that it entails.
1) If you're referring to my join date to accuse me for not knowing much about this sport or my short experience in this community, I find it funny because although I recently became a member of GS but it doesn't mean I started watching FS at that point nor this is the only community that I participated in. And to clarify, I didn't meant people here in GS by 'most of them' if that's what made you angry.
2) I accept that my choice of word was not deliberate enough so I apologize. However it is true that a lot of people around me in Korea who even went for Yu-na's ice shows didn't have any interest on other skaters and even said 'there's no point in watching other skaters' programs because Yu-na is superior than any other.' In major news cites and internet communities, I saw many replies claiming that Katarina Witt is nothing compared to Yu-na. Again, I didn't want to sound like 'everyone except me doesn't love FS itself'. What I wanted to say is that the popularity of this sport in Korea is quite inflated in the current situation.
3) I don't understand what you mean by 'an intimate familiarity with Korean society and the figure-skating community' because... yes I'm a Korean citizen and I've been a member of a few major figure skating fan cites if that's what you mean. and no, I'm not academically studying on 'the future of FS in Korea' because I don't think I have to and I believe my idea is just a personal prediction which might be wrong. (and I hope it's wrong)
4) Good, because I'm a fan of Yuna too Sorry if I offended you. I'm sure you are one of those people who would keep watching Korean FS even after Yuna's gone. But the problem is what I saw during this Worlds is a broadcasting company who skipped a couple of skaters to replay Yuna's SP and commentators who kept trashing other top skaters so that even my father who knows nothing about this sport asked me 'Are those skaters as terrible as they sound? According to those commentators, they cannot be the world class skaters but they get good scores. It's strange'
5) I hope this post doesn't make any trouble.
I agree with you sather. I expect YuNa ubers to be back in full force by Sochi I also think the prospect of FS prospering in Korea post-Yuna is not that good. It may get better as the Korean government pushes for a successful Pyeongchang Olympics but Koreans will only start to rally behind the next crop of skaters if they start to podium consistently. Even then, it's hard to see anyone else becoming the superstar that YuNa is and carrying FS with them.
Of course, I do hope I'm wrong about all of this
I understand better some of the points you made, and I don't want to make a huge to-do about this, but I will offer a couple of my own comments:
-I've spent a lot of time overseas, including Korea, Japan, some European countries. I realize that there are many people who are only interested in watching the star of the day. But I would suggest that I have seen this phenomenon not only in some of Yuna's admirers or Korean viewers of skating, but in all countries and in all sports that I personally have had any experience with. I think it's true in the US, where I believe the sharp drop-off in interest and viewership is at least in significant measure due to the lack of an American Yuna in recent years. It's also true, however, in other sports both major and minor, such as baseball, football, basketball, and golf.
-It could be the case that it was relatively more true for Yuna's fans in South Korea; but I would ascribe that to the fact that figure skating is still a relatively new sport to Koreans, who are dealing with a superstar in what was almost a wholly unfamiliar activity for most of them. Because of Yuna's influence, however, I know for a fact that the number of knowledgeable fans of figure skating in that country has grown and continues to grow. Sure, when Yuna passes from the scene, the number of eyeballs may shrink sharply, but this is, in my experience, an inevitable and universal phenomenon. So what you say is, I argue, far less true now than it was, say, three years ago, and that development ought not to get lost in a rush to sound-bite judgment.
-All that said, my own approach to online activities is this: treat each person as an individual, unless he/she gives clear evidence that he/she is acting in concert and collusion with others as a group. Some variation of the Golden Rule has always seemed to me both a congenial and a sensible policy on the internet.
I think we saw a similar phenomenon in the US. There were a lot of fans who started watching in the 1990s and who became fans of skating and considered Michelle Kwan their favorite or one of their favorite skaters, and many continue to be fans after Kwan's retirement.
And then there were also a lot of people who became fans of Michelle Kwan but weren't particular interested in skating on its own terms, except as an opportunity to watch Michelle. So when she was gone they lost interest.
The same thing may happen in Korea.
But of all the little girls (and some boys) who were fans of the stars enough to start skating themselves, a decade later some of them may go on to international success themselves. I would expect a lull in Korean results after Yuna Kim retires for good, but I would also expect a resurgence a few years later on.
Japanese skating hardly died after Midori Ito (and Yuka Sato) retired.
I think much of sather's frustration comes from the crappy Korean journalism and media, and I am the first to admit that they are mostly junk. But even that is not unique to Korea.... as I am sure Sather would know from reading Japanese media for example (I noticed that you even kindly translated Japanese article on Mao in your earlier post). If you think uber wars in these English forums are messy, boy, you should see some of the posts made in Japanese 2Ch board. But I diagress,
I think figure skating will remain very strong and popular in Asia, and hope that the sport has a global resurgence, because it is really a beautiful sport.
And while the fan base necessarily folllows the rhythms of the outlook for skaters, I'm fairly certain that a base has been established, and that it will never revert back completely to what it was before.
As you indicate, this type of evolution is not unprecedented.
Remember, Korea is a winter country. It's not some year-round tropical paradise that has one indoor rink, the way a place such as Malaysia or the Philippines (or even Australia) is. So winter sports are a natural fit with Korean fans and are likely to draw in more viewers in the future.
I know it might sound strange, but to be honest, I'm waiting for the post-Yuna era to come. Then, this whole national madness would fade away and leave rather generous figure skating fans who are willing to watch other skaters even though there are not as perfect as Yuna. I remember what Korean figure skating community looked like until right before the pre-Olympic season while Yuna was becoming popular after her senior debut. Media didn't cover her that much but at least they did not act like a fanatic. Figure skating fans including me who were introduced to this sport by Yuna were still minorities in Korea but we appreciated the joy this new sport had brought us.Originally Posted by Robeye
I don't want to hear how much most of skaters are inferior to Yuna anymore. I'd rather prefer messy uber wars we have here or somewhere else because there isn't any in Korea. There can't be because a certain type of Yuna fans pretty much dominate this community and do not allow any other different opinions.
I believe that I may be the hoariest person on Golden Skate, now that GrGranny and Joesitz have retired from active posting.