When choreography for the program done by professional ballet choreographer or dancer and done in traditional classical style, most people understand the beauty of it. Plushenko always uses this type of resources for his programs, even some type of the consulting will bring up the goods.
It is exactly Plushenko's programs are very artistic and more welcomed by general viewers.
His natural soft, charismatic, convincing skating glues people attention to him and what he is doing on ice.
Denis Ten has this natural soft skating as well, and when he skated clean at WCH2013, he was not much behind in the artistry from Chan and Chan become nothing special anymore.
PCS does not mean "artistry." The word "artistry" isn't mentioned anywhere in the criteria and frankly it's difficult to even discern what people are referring to when they keep throwing that word around in such varied contexts.
Chan, as we have seen, can Zamboni the ice four times with his backside and still win a gold medal, so I don't think using Chan as a scoring example is ever a good idea. Regardless, judges do throw around IN marks like they're lollies to give to all the skaters. When I watch Chan, I don't feel what he wants me to feel. I don't feel any connection, I don't feel that he is showing any passion, I don't feel that he is showing any emotion. And then come his regulation falls which break the mood of the program. It takes a rare skater to make me feel again after they fall.
As for P/E, I have a major, MAJOR problem with skaters like Chan still getting 8s in P/E after falling twice. For what is the second word in there? EXECUTION.
And the reason I can't take you seriously is because you are Canadian screaming for Patrick Chan and against any of his detractors. Can we say biased? For the record, I am an Australian girl - thus, no nationality biases in this fight.
One of the comments that Plushyfan copied from under a Plushy video said something about how when the person watched Plushy skate, it was as if time stopped. That's a wonderful description of great art. The thing is that Plushenko can probably make time stop for a good many people but not necessarily for everyone. And that's cool! It doesn't mean that he's not artistic; it merely means that his art doesn't appeal to everyone. Look, Wagnerian opera makes some people just laugh. It makes others tremble with delight--for all five hours of one of his operas. There's no question that his operas are art, and what's more, they're enduring art.
You can see that Plushenko has some vision of doing something more with his skating than just getting the jumps right and scoring points. Whether or not any one or another of us responds to his creative vision is a different question. Sometimes he gets to me, and other times he doesn't. But although the current skater who makes time stop for me is Takahashi, I can certainly see why Plushenko tops many people's lists in that regard.
Apparently you can use a Zamboni the ice rhetoric multiple times and still think you're clever. You're picking one example. Hanyu won NHK with two falls and 4 errors in his freeskate, and Takahashi won the GPF with errors too, including a fall. Kostner swiffered the ice with her butt in the SP and FS, but that's not indicative of how she is as a skater. And they still get 8s in P/E. Oh, but they're not Patrick Chan so you would never go after them.
You just make it seem like you have an axe to grind every time you mention Chan falls four times and can still win, as if that's been representative of his wins.
And you saying that I'm screaming for Chan just because I'm Canadian is as typifying and ignorant as if I saidsomething outrageous like you don't know a thing about skating because they don't even have ice in Australia, nor have they ever come up with any decent skaters to come out of Australia so why would your opinion hold any weight.
Maybe you miss this german documentary from 2004. How they made the Nijinsky program and shows us the racing between Plushy and Joubert in ECH and WCH 2004. Fantastic documentary!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2841lVtRMQ
Other people have been over marked does not mean then everybody should feel OK about the system and stopping complaining about Chan's marks, it only means the system needs adjustment.
Of course I have an axe to grind. Should I not find it angering and irritating that one skater now has to do little more than trip around the ice for four and a half minutes to win? Do you not see the inherent wrongness of a skater falling multiple times and finishing ahead of a skater who skated, at difficulty, clean? Since when has it become "okay" to fall all over the place rather than land your jumps? Maybe if Chan put in as much effort into LANDING HIS JUMPS as he did the stupidly busy transitions, his victories would not be so controversial.
He was compared to Alexander Godunov, probably because they resemble physically.
Chan and Curry have nothing in common. Curry had a real ballet training, he probably was the only ballet dancer on skates.
My supporting his skating has little to do with being Canadian. It has everything to do with him being a skater who is talented, makes the most of the system everyone is working with, and has programs with intricate, original choreography and high difficulty. It doesn't mean I support all of his wins, and I certainly do not. I love Kostner's skating and think she's arguably the finest women's skater now (in terms of skating quality), but I don't support her getting 2nd place after a fall in the SP + 2 major errors in her FS... if not for Kim, Kostner would have won Worlds with 2 falls and a singled loop -- almost as many errors as Chan made overall. Essentially, I agree with you that Chan beating Ten/Hanyu's NHK win/Virtue-Moir's SD fall but still placing 2nd/Kostner's 2nd SP, and the list goes on... are all examples of what is wrong with the system.
But when people only go after Chan and make sweeping statements that are reflective of only a minority of his wins in the past, as if that should be indicative of how he is now, it's unfair and hypocritical since several top skaters have had terribly skated programs with falls - recently too - and have won. It's also unfair to use ONE example of where he happened to win with 4 falls (a win which I have said he does not deserve) as the 'example' of his skating. He's never fallen more than 2 times in his FS (in any competition that he's won). And 2/3 of his victories have happened with 1 fall or no falls over both the SP & FS. So it's pretty misleading, and frankly delusional, to say he wins with falls all the time. And saying he "can" win with 2 falls is also misleading because that is in the past when his competition hadn't closed the gap on him, skating-wise.