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Thread: Plushenko: Chan Does Not Deserve World Title

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    You think skaters badmouthing each other is bad? Take a look at this:

    http://www.semicolonblog.com/?p=14660

    I haven't even had time to read it all yet, but even a cursory glance reveals quite a few... beauties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    FYI, the ISU training video using Plushenko as the "model" existed since at least 2008. Unlike another poster who falsely stated that the ISU only started to circulating the video after Plushenko made his return in 2009-10 season as part of a conspiracy to undermine him. At the Vancouver Olympics, Plushenko did not do a 3 jump combo as he could have. And had he add a mere double toe at the end of any of his jump combo, he would have won the Gold - it is that simple.
    Lol these changing of plushenkos programs always forget the best thing he could have done to win was not do any quads and not do a three jump combo in which negative goe wouldve wiped out any value of a doubletoe anyway.

    Lysacek and Carroll both said plushenko wanted to abolish his sport and replace it with a one jump contest. It was a back and forth and plushenko had 10 worlds championships and 3 Olympics of men Doing quads in their wins. Plushenko was not about abolishing the sport which lysacek and carroll said

    Plushenko had a disc in his spine replaced!

    I mean get real. The video that said plushenko was horrible trash was being distributed after he announced his comeback

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Unfortunately, Plushenko has a history of trash talking other competitors, including calling Lysacek's win in Vancouver : Ladies Skating because he had no Quads, give himself a "Platinum medal" and post the picture online for the whole world to see and now, this. This isn't just a light-hearted joke about someone's age - Plushenko is actually serious when he said and did all of that. He may have accomplished a lot as an athlete but as far as his character and sportsmanship is concerned, it's almost impossible to find a more mean spirited and arrogant person than this guy. He is better off going back to Russian politics and being a full-time politician, that's much more suitable to him.
    Do you want to know the truth, or want to hate Plushy? Plushenko did not pass his silver medal as platinum, it was a mistake made by someone from his official site, one of the administrators probably. It wasn't even his idea, his wife said one gold+ one silver is actually platinum. His fans liked it and posted everywhere on Youtube on Twitter, and of course, on his offocial website's first page. Plu was clueless when it comes to internet, his official sites, Twitter, etc. He was in Vancouver and he advertised the Sochi Olympics. he would not frequent reader of his website, and he has never posted there. He made many interviews after competiton, but he didn't say "I won, or I deserved platinum medal", or something like this.

    You said: "has a history of trash talking other competitors, including calling Lysacek's win in Vancouver " Do you know other example when he had trash talking other competitors?

    And look at this: Evan and Plush in 2010 Golden Skate Awards http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1M0rm2T79s They are so cute. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0S8PNixg9E from 7:25
    Evan said in this inetrview http://www.pressball.by/pbonline/other/76679
    "У него уже есть три олимпийские медали. Вероятнее всего, Евгения ждет еще одна награда в Сочи. Поэтому мне будет очень интересно навязать ему борьбу. Считаю, он величайший фигурист."
    in english: "He already has three Olympic medals. Most likely, Evgeni is waiting for yet another award in Sochi. So I will be very interesting to impose the fight. I think he is the greatest skater. " He also said not once, Plushy is a great guy... And Plushy after Vancoucer, when everybody calmed down, always mentioned Evan, Olympic Champion Evan Lysacek.

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    Like in his last interview where he referred to Frank Carroll as the wonderful coach of the Olympic Champion Evan Lysacek...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    There is no reason for plushenko to get a gift because his competition is such that he could win against he best of his home country in any conceivable condition.
    Not if he's injured. He was losing to Voronov at Euros after the SP, and likely would have lost to Kovtun in the LP if he committed the same errors as his short. I agree that he's an excellent competitor though, and one competition (Euros) isn't enough to convince me that he no longer has the goods.

    It's true that Plushenko could fall on every 3A and quad attempt and still win Russian nationals, but one hopes that he doesn't otherwise it would be really unfair to the other Russian men. And it's not like Plushenko's skating is leagues better than Kovtun or some of the other guys -- he's always been a technical skater so if he doesn't bring the technical game to the next nationals I wonder if the Russian Fed will do the same thing that they did with Kovtun and gamble him as their one spot.

    I think it's more the fact that Plushenko is far more renowned, and it's a much better story if he's competing in Sochi. But if somebody like Menshov considerably outjumps Plushenko at Nationals and doesn't get to go to the Olympics, especially after being denied in favour of Kovtun at Worlds, it would be pretty low of the Russian federation. You would wonder if Plushenko would even give up his spot if he knew that another skater deserved it more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Not if he's injured. He was losing to Voronov at Euros after the SP, and likely would have lost to Kovtun in the LP if he committed the same errors as his short. I agree that he's an excellent competitor though, and one competition (Euros) isn't enough to convince me that he no longer has the goods.

    It's true that Plushenko could fall on every 3A and quad attempt and still win Russian nationals, but one hopes that he doesn't otherwise it would be really unfair to the other Russian men. And it's not like Plushenko's skating is leagues better than Kovtun or some of the other guys -- he's always been a technical skater so if he doesn't bring the technical game to the next nationals I wonder if the Russian Fed will do the same thing that they did with Kovtun and gamble him as their one spot.

    I think it's more the fact that Plushenko is far more renowned, and it's a much better story if he's competing in Sochi. But if somebody like Menshov considerably outjumps Plushenko at Nationals and doesn't get to go to the Olympics, especially after being denied in favour of Kovtun at Worlds, it would be pretty low of the Russian federation. You would wonder if Plushenko would even give up his spot if he knew that another skater deserved it more.
    Plushenko is not considered just a technical skater in Russia. That is only a part of his amazing all around talent in every aspect of skating and why pcs is so high but was also high at euros 2012. He is not like the mad Aaron or Kevin vander perren or Elvis stojko of Russia. So I doubt people would be like plushenko is just kovtun. or menshov with more success. He is considered and is a great talent.

    But sure if he performs so poorly that he would actually lose to voronov or kovtun or menshov he may just hang it all up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Plushenko is not considered just a technical skater in Russia. That is only a part of his amazing all around talent in every aspect of skating and why pcs is so high but was also high at euros 2012. He is not like the mad Aaron or Kevin vander perren or Elvis stojko of Russia. So I doubt people would be like plushenko is just kovtun. or menshov with more success. He is considered and is a great talent.

    But sure if he performs so poorly that he would actually lose to voronov or kovtun or menshov he may just hang it all up!


    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post

    I think it's more the fact that Plushenko is far more renowned, and it's a much better story if he's competing in Sochi. But if somebody like Menshov considerably outjumps Plushenko at Nationals and doesn't get to go to the Olympics, especially after being denied in favour of Kovtun at Worlds, it would be pretty low of the Russian federation. You would wonder if Plushenko would even give up his spot if he knew that another skater deserved it more.
    I wouldn't like to see him in Sochi, if he can't win in RN, then won't be in good shape. I would like to see a strong Plushy, who has chance to skate two good programs. But I think he needs to compete in COR, and some on other competitons because he will skate the SP too early again. So we will be more smart after the COR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    The sad truth is Plushenko himself is not man enough to attend the London Worlds as a dutiful Russian National Champion should to give Russia a chance to win 3 spots in Sochi and give the youngsters a chance to be inspired and grow.
    You have GOT to be kidding, right?! So in your opinion he should have got straight up from his hospital bed where he was having SURGERY ON HIS SPINE and gone to Worlds?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post




    I wouldn't like to see him in Sochi, if he can't win in RN, then won't be in good shape. I would like to see a strong Plushy, who has chance to skate two good programs. But I think he needs to compete in COR, and some on other competitons because he will skate the SP too early again. So we will be more smart after the COR.
    I don't like everything he says, but I admire his skating immensely, and he's certainly far more than just a jumping machine.

    I'm chuckling at the "gold + silver = platinum." Hey, there's nothing wrong with saying, "I think he's so wonderful that he's better than a gold medalist. He's platinum." Remember the wonderful gold maple leaf that Canadians gave Kurt Browning after he didn't medal at the 1994 Olympics? Some skaters transcend rankings.

    Not to argue with anyone, but the geek in me cannot resist pointing out that there is actually an alloy of gold and silver (plus other metals) called electrum. Maybe someone could give Plushy an electrum medal? Platinum is actually a separate element, not related to gold or silver. It's one of the rarest elements, even rarer than gold. Like gold, it doesn't corrode easily. Geek moment over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    You have GOT to be kidding, right?! So in your opinion he should have got straight up from his hospital bed where he was having SURGERY ON HIS SPINE and gone to Worlds?!
    Well, you know, karne, if he were "man enough" he'd just ignore little things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Plushenko is not considered just a technical skater in Russia. That is only a part of his amazing all around talent in every aspect of skating and why pcs is so high but was also high at euros 2012. He is not like the mad Aaron or Kevin vander perren or Elvis stojko of Russia. So I doubt people would be like plushenko is just kovtun. or menshov with more success. He is considered and is a great talent.

    But sure if he performs so poorly that he would actually lose to voronov or kovtun or menshov he may just hang it all up!
    I doubt it. It would be the right thing to do to concede his Olympic spot should the others outskate him (after all, he's been to 3 Olympics and has 3 medals... just not in Russia, though). I agree that Plushenko in Russia might be considered more than a technical skater, but I'm pretty sure elsewhere he's considered a purely technical skater. His program are elements strung together and it's really obvious. The choreography generally leaves me cold with the lack of content in between jumps or leaves me freaked out come the footwork with over the top with flailing and hip thrusts.

    If he didn't land the jumps, his programs would be nowhere nearly as worthwhile to watch, IMO. However, that's a practically negligible point, since he usually did land the jumps, and had probably the best consistency of all time considering his jump layout. I'm a stickler for technical consistency, and even think Plushenko's programs in the 2010 Olympics were technically so superior that he should have won (under 6.0, that is). But his programs are just a plug and play of elements.

    I would truly love for him to break out of that serious, technical, super-focused Mishin-esque side and get a program for next year that is truly different from anything we've seen or anything we would expect from him. I know he's capable of more than just a jump show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    If he didn't land the jumps, his programs would be nowhere nearly as worthwhile to watch, IMO.
    I feel that way about all skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I feel that way about all skaters.


    Truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I doubt it. It would be the right thing to do to concede his Olympic spot should the others outskate him (after all, he's been to 3 Olympics and has 3 medals... just not in Russia, though). I agree that Plushenko in Russia might be considered more than a technical skater, but I'm pretty sure elsewhere he's considered a purely technical skater. His program are elements strung together and it's really obvious. The choreography generally leaves me cold with the lack of content in between jumps or leaves me freaked out come the footwork with over the top with flailing and hip thrusts.

    If he didn't land the jumps, his programs would be nowhere nearly as worthwhile to watch, IMO. However, that's a practically negligible point, since he usually did land the jumps, and had probably the best consistency of all time considering his jump layout. I'm a stickler for technical consistency, and even think Plushenko's programs in the 2010 Olympics were technically so superior that he should have won (under 6.0, that is). But his programs are just a plug and play of elements.

    I would truly love for him to break out of that serious, technical, super-focused Mishin-esque side and get a program for next year that is truly different from anything we've seen or anything we would expect from him. I know he's capable of more than just a jump show.
    He got 5.9 and 6.0 in artistry all the time! The issues of his choreo and programs seemingly only exist in north America? North America is like where he becomes another stojko a Russian stojko and because he cares about jumps is Kevin van Der perren!

    I don't want to go to far into plushenko not winning Russian nationals because injust don't think it's likely at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    You have GOT to be kidding, right?! So in your opinion he should have got straight up from his hospital bed where he was having SURGERY ON HIS SPINE and gone to Worlds?!
    I think, he/she miss that info..because if he/she knew that, then it is more than ridiculous

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I agree that Plushenko in Russia might be considered more than a technical skater, but I'm pretty sure elsewhere he's considered a purely technical skater.
    Oh, no. In Europe and Asia he is an artist on ice. His artistic strengths to carry him when the jumps weren't quite perfect. He received his first perfect 6.0 mark when he was 16, the youngest ever for a man, and by the time the old system was mothballed after the 2003-04 season, Plushenko had amassed 75 perfect 6.0s, including the last four given out to a male competitor at the Worlds 2004, for free skating presentation. I remember not too long ago you also said he is an artistic skater

    About Vancouver: Well, everyone moved on, but European FS analysts said the decision to award Evan the gold medal over Evgeni was debatable, because Plushenko's jumps were landed-neither two-foot nor underrotation but Evan did mistakes-which are not visible to non-specialists. (Underrotated 3A wrong edge on his flip). The Eurosport commentary over Christmas2010 was quite amusing in its understated mockery of Lysacek's victory.

    for ex
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PWM2NESsGw 2001 ECH, he beat Yagudin everywhere, anybody said he is only a technical skater? No, of course, listen to the european commentarors! They were ecstatic like the crowd too..." phenomenal, outstanding, fantastic, just brilliant, unbeliveable" and so on.. three 6.0s, one tech. and two 6.0s for his presentation...
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aQdGyJQ1cU because enjoyable to watch..., sorry, if you have time.)

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