If plushenko is an incredible artist, I wonder if harlem shake is art as well. Many of his programs (especially after his comeback in 2009) are just crazy frenetic moves that could go along with any background music, with kisses, fist pumps, "sexy" stares at the judges, and some really weird moves (hand on his opened mouth in 2010 LP, hips shaking out of context, etc). He has amazing personality, presence and charisma, but art on ice? I wouldn't go that far, especially after his comeback. He had some good programs before, like tribute to nijinsky, but most of his choreos are just...cheesy.
Don't hate me for the comment, I really respect Plushenko and I think he is a superman, but calling Plushenko an artist on ice is a little disrespectful to skaters like Lambiel, Takahashi and Buttle. He is more like a great entertainer and performer, in my humble opinion.
I also thought, that gold and silver is platinum, thank you Olympia! Electrum??? :O. I don't like the platinum medal, because his haters easy to use against Plushy. But he didn't give myself. Who follows him, knows very well. He also received from the Russians a "People's medal". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Puq0TDe30 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doJkdG-0HVs that was more than 1 kg (I don't know how many pounds :( )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5lAZtvnkak in China) , but in last year he had a good program.
But what is art? When the skater dies on ice? I think, no. Do you remember his Asissay, Sex Bomb, Crazy Bird, Je suis malade, Sharmanka( barrel organ) etc. ex programs? He can shows us every emotions. He has own style, powerful skating, he has incredibly energy when he skates, and manly, but artistry. You can decide, like or not, and this is what I can understand easily. There are people don't like his style, this doesn't mean that is not artistry.
You know, I never heard that he isn't artistry before Vancouver. That wasn't question. I think that was a part of attack against Plushy.
Then GS is a commuity of bad mouthing trash talking fellows with vey poor sportsmanship. Because I really lost the account on how many threads on Chan's win in London were in the Edge only, not mentioning competition subforums.bad mouthing a fellow competitor is considered very poor sportsmanship. Unfortunately, Plushenko has a history of trash talking other competitors,
I was being hypothetical. IF Plushenko fell on the quad and two 3A's in his FS, he would lose 12 points (-3's, and -1 fall deduction x 3 jumps). His components score was 10 points ahead of Voronov in the FS and 5 points ahead in the SP. So theoretically, with a 15 point PCS advantage over Voronov (who skated clean, and was his nearest competitor), he could have afforded 3 falls, points-wise. (And of course you can say the same about other Nationals, such as Canadians, where there is one dominant skater. I'm sure Javier Fernandez also has the same advantage.) And obviously at this year's Nationals, given how Reynolds skated, had Chan had a fall in his SP and 2 falls in his FS it would have been close.
And just because my ID says Canadian isn't a reason to think I'm just criticizing him due to my nationality. I've criticized Chan and Buttle in the past for wins from technically ho-hum performances. I've also lauded Plushenko's technical ability and consistency.
It is wrong to bring Sandhu into this because he won because plushenko did too many combos.
The continued belief that none of plushenkos wins had anything to do with being talented in artistry in any way is just too much nonsense to Continue to engage with!! Like in 2004 he won worlds because of his artistic magnificence. He had technical errors there.
If we are talking about a true artist Chan is not one either to the level of people like Takahashi, Lambiel, or even Yagudin. The emotions he brings to his skating performances, his ability to interpret the nuances of any type of music, his performance abilities, his stage presence, dont even come in the same league as those, no matter how many times the judges give him 10s in PE and IN even with 5 or 6 falls to ensure his 5 or 6 fall "must win no matter what" cushion. So if Plushenko isnt really an artist, the same could be said about Chan, but with a record of falls and mistakes that makes Lambiel look like an uber consistent jumper, her cant even be called a technical master, nor a master competitor, which leaves him with what exactly? Skating skills, so essentialy a male Yuka Sato with weaker spins, a less pleasent personality, less consistent jumps, and 100 times more popularity with the judges. Atleast Plushenko is a technical master and master competitor.
5 or 6 falls? When did Chan get five or six falls and get 10s in PE and IN? We get it that you hate Chan, but if you're going to bash him, at least make accurate statements. Hey, why not go all out on the hyperbole and say 10 falls!
Takahashi is the only one of those I would consider a complete artist more than Chan. And when Takahashi skates well (not that he's a very consistent skater himself) he'll get higher PCS marks.
And seriously... weak spins?! Chan has some of the strongest spins of the men's field. Certainly stronger than Takahashi.
As fun as it is watching people bash Chan, he has 5 world medals (including 3 titles), 2 GPF wins, and the World record score. I agree that he's been overscored in the past, and isn't the most consistent skater (not that I can name many of today's top skaters who are), but to try to tear him down to being just a ho-hum skater is jealousy at its best, and downright delusion at its worst.