Well, then I have no doubt that you are one of those people that you refered to. But beware, the judges don't think like you do.
Yes, I know. But the judges didn't think like you do on Plushenko..right?
Well, then I have no doubt that you are one of those people that you refered to. But beware, the judges don't think like you do.
Yes, and Dick Button also said this:Nijinsky would be proud...in 2004 WCHNo, Plushenko has never been compared to John Curry (at least I have never heard of that). He was referred as Baryshnikov on ice once in an Italian article, and praised for his Nijinsky program as "Nijinsky would be proud of that" (something like that) though.
Yes, I know. But the judges didn't think like you do on Plushenko..right?
Why people don't like to watch his videos on Youtube?.....
Probably the judges did.
On a serious note, I have never said Plushenko has no artistry, and never denied that he was legendary with his passion and fire on ice. But would that be the only kind that could be called "artistry"?
What was wrong with my statement? Choreography is NOT artistry. How the skater uses that choreography is artistry. There is a huge difference between Patrick Chan throwing the kitchen sink into his programs and being totally cold fish and disconnected, and a skater who does a program that, perhaps, is not as technically "difficult", but invokes feelings and emotions, as Plushenko's Nijinsky does.
PS: You expect me to take a poster who openly calls themselves "CanadianSkaterGuy" seriously?
Choreography IS artistry. A poorly choreographed program will and should get lower artistic impression/PCS scores. I can't believe I actually have to say it as matter-of-factly as that. It doesn't matter how expressive a skater is if their choreography is terrible. Takahashi's SP to Moonlight Sonata (which many say is a choreographical injustice to how great a skater he is) is a good example of how an artistic skater with poor choreography will perform a less artistic program on the whole.
Also, Chan obviously doesn't throw the kitchen sink into his programs and is totally cold fish and disconnected, otherwise he wouldn't consistently get top marks for performance and interpretation. You're entitled to your opinion (and the shared opinion of others who will dislike Chan no matter what he does), but the judges clearly think differently. I know everyone who hates Chan will pick and choose his poor performances like 2013 Worlds as an indication of the type of skater he is. It would be like saying because Plushenko made errors in his 2013 Euros SP and let the program go he's a cold, emotionless skater. In fact, it was a good indication of how average Plushenko's choreography apparently is when he doesn't land the big tricks (as rare as that is).
Plushenko's Nijinsky does evoke emotions but only at specific points. Otherwise it is robotic skating in between jumps. He literally comes to standstills and does gushy, melodramatic posing. That might be artistic expression but it's not artistic choreography. Can you honestly say that if that Nijinsky performance didn't have all the jumps and that footwork sequence (when apparently somebody decided to attach jumper cables to him and he actually started moving and doing intricate steps) it would still be worth watching? Chan might not be the most expressive skater, like a Takahashi, but at least his programs have interesting, original choreography and, jumping errors aside (which, of course NOBODY else makes), he usually performs it well.
What's wrong with my screen name? Is it because I'm openly Canadian or because I'm openly a guy that all of a sudden my opinion should be disregarded? Hey, what's your nationality/gender, karne?
His videos have tens of thousands of views. Obviously they won't have as many as Plushenko since they're more recent. And as mentioned, a skater doesn't have to be great to have a ton of views. Chan has more views than Kostner... are you saying she's not an artistic skater?
Nowadays, in FS, PCS=artistry, I get it. Although everything you are referring is very technique related, very specific for figure skating, not for the art form in general. That is why it is difficult or even laughable to say that Nijinsky program is not artistic, maybe in some figure skating fans eyes it is not artistic, but not in general viewers eyes. That is why it is so hard to convince a non-skating fan that Chan is very artistic skater.
For one thing, Chan didn't lick or put his fingers into his mouth, or jolt his hip.
That's where it came from, but it's wrong. PCS ≠ artistry.
I don't think it's hard to convince non-skating fans that Chan is a very artistic skater when he skates clean.
I know PCS ≠ artistry, but I have such impression from reading all kind of posts here and there. I guess Plushenko is the perfect exception and nice evidence for some of the posters because:
1. his PCS is relatively high;
2. he is not artistic at all in these posters eyes.
Hence perfect proof that "PCS ≠ artistry"
I can hardly imagine Chan does such things, it would be just horrible to watch......
you are very smart :agree:
You are wrong. In last year Pushy's Tango and Roxanne videos-Niquaquest, Plushenkoinfo, Frida, LaRiservaskating, etc- had more than 300.000 viewers in total one month. After I don't know why the ISU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ngQgDVwqP8 prohibited them. And only Plushenko's videos.
Patrick 2011 WCH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Nzn0K7yc4 76.000 viewers, and was a perfect program!
And Plushy's SP in ECH more watched than Patrick's fantastic SP in WCH. But you can say, they wanted to see Plushy's fall
No, Patrick has no more viewers than Carolina.
Clean program ≠ artistry
Fixed.