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Thread: Plushenko: Chan Does Not Deserve World Title

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Rightfully? I have videos on my pc where the daily show about Olympics in major channel were naming Plushenko with bold letters, Quadchenko and not in a good way. Thats a big difference than having no transitions. Which would have been funny if the commentator didnt point out that on the contrary their athlete had the whole packet.
    Honestly, what else are they going to say? Russia wouldn't (and isn't) going to do the same? Heavy is the head that wears the crown right, and publicity spinning is a major career for both publicists and the media. They all work together to get people interested in these people and the things they're doing. Movies, singing, sports.....you name it, it's all about the spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGrand View Post
    Honestly, what else are they going to say? Russia wouldn't (and isn't) going to do the same? Heavy is the head that wears the crown right, and publicity spinning is a major career for both publicists and the media. They all work together to get people interested in these people and the things they're doing. Movies, singing, sports.....you name it, it's all about the spin.
    So it is ok to put negative spin on Plushenko. Then it would be even less a problem for others to poke holes in the positive spin around Chan or Chanada. Fair play, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilywang View Post
    So it is ok to put negative spin on Plushenko. Then it would be even less a problem for others to poke holes in the positive spin around Chan or Chanada. Fair play, huh?
    I think you missed my point and I'm sorry I didn't convey it properly. I think it goes both ways, especially in an Olympic season where figure skating is actually watched and attended by quite a few more than the regular season. It's a prime-time sport and drama sells. I don't live in Russia, so don't know for sure, but it would be silly of them not to spin things positively in their direction and put competitors in a more unflattering light for the upcoming games in Sochi.
    Am I making any sense here? Sorry, I don't want to fight with anyone, I'm just trying to put things in perspective.

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    I really don't like Plushenko at all and I also think that he is arrogant and was overscored many times (terrible choreos and interpretations) but hey, he did not lie. Not only Plushenko has that opinion, Todd Eldredge, Johnny Weir, Christina Gao, Sonia Bianchetti, many other skaters, authorities and commentators also share his point of view. Actually, everybody except his fans and some canadians know that Patrick did not deserve his last 2 world titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    I really don't like Plushenko at all and I also think that he is arrogant and was overscored many times (terrible choreos and interpretations) but hey, he did not lie. Not only Plushenko has that opinion, Todd Eldredge, Johnny Weir, Christina Gao, Sonia Bianchetti, many other skaters, authorities and commentators also share his point of view. Actually, everybody except his fans and some canadians know that Patrick did not deserve his last 2 world titles.
    I actually wouldn't argue so hard about last years world title, it wasn't as bad of a skater, I thought it was ridiculous though that Dai didn't win the free skate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I actually wouldn't argue so hard about last years world title, it wasn't as bad of a skater, I thought it was ridiculous though that Dai didn't win the free skate.
    True, last years Worlds would have been quite acceptable if Dai had atleast won the LP. Chan skated a very good short and Dai bombed the short, and Chan really only had one big mistake in the long so winning could be justified. Unfortunately for Chan his even more controversial win at this years Worlds basically means last years controversy will seem that much more too as well. That is happens when you are a skater who is held up repeatedly.

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    I totally agree with Plushenko on this one. Chan certainly has done his share of dishing. His comments on Plushy have been pretty rude. What goes around comes around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    That happened rightfully because of Plushenko´s own thoughtless remarks about his transitions. Plushenko was no victim, he caused it all himself.
    This is so not true. Why did NBC have big statues of Lenin and Stalin in their media shots about plushenko? Because of transitions? fact it is called st petersberg not Leningrad anymore. He got tons of 6.0 in the second mark in his career! And in chroeo and int he was always good! the extreme hate toward plushenko in us and Canada media and other media had nothing to Do alot of the time with transitions! He was setting himself -because he absolutely wAs- as technically superior to everyone else in Vancouver and he was and delivered and therefore was vilified because lysacek was world champ and chan was silver medalist being without quads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Oh, please! I don't think you haven't read his comment yet. He has put himself into a hot water by refering Chan's win to Canadian federation's political win.

    ...Talk about Patrick Chan doesn't have a mouth guard!
    By saying, what you just said, only proves that Plushenko is right! otherwise who cares

    Plushenko's judgement comes from his long term experiance on ice. He cares and cheers for Denis and tries to give him right message, what wrong with that?

    As long as Plushenko wins in Sochi with mistakes (Chan's precedent-home cuntry, home ice) all should be happy, including flawless Chan and his ubers.

    The precedent is set for two years in a row!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilywang View Post
    Don't put words in Plushenko's mouth. Twisting or simplifying other people's argument to make your own point is called "straw man fallacy", just you know.

    And if you actually watched the competition, Ten actually did 2 quads, one in SP and one in LP.
    Denis also did three 3A!!! and Chan only two)))

    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Suddently I m picturing a dozen lambs on their way to the judges desks.


    Ten replied to Plush: @Tenis_Den: @EvgeniPlushenko Thank you very much, Zhenya! Get well soon

    Well Denis Ten must have THE week of his life, he gave two amazing performances,won silver at Worlds and had Plush congradulating him on twitter.
    Exactly!
    Plushenko twitted to Denis! and everybody took it wrong way))) Evgeni should stick to his radio!




    Quote Originally Posted by amber68 View Post
    I disagree. Indeed Plushy's remarks were thoughtless but the campaign before Vancouver was much more than taking advantage of silly comments made by one of competitors.

    It really had all the elements of a textbook propaganda campaign:
    Demonizing the enemy - clips with Lenin's statues falling and Plushy presented as an evil commie
    Appeal to authority - Joe Inman, an official ISU judge, sends an e-mail to other official ISU judges, just before the competition, ref. how to score Plushenko's transitions. Accidentally this e-mail leaks to the press...Moreover at ISU seminars there are presented videos of Plushenko and his weak points are given as an example ( it is completely unethical to use a competitor as an example no matter who he/she is, but isn't it amazing that they chose Plushenko despite the fact that I am sure there were plenty of retired skaters who could be given as examples?)
    Tireless repetition of an idea - Plushenko & lack of transitions were repeated ad nauseum on all the media channels (including figure skating forums where some pople do post because they have an agenda)
    Don't forget Chinqanta threatining Plushenko if he speaks up after the SP. It was illegal too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    This is my last post
    Again? Jeez.. I lost the count how many times you promised me that...

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    it's a different judging system.
    You realize how silly this argument defending the CoP looks considering the drastically declining popularity of this sport? I really don't get why would someone who cares do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post
    Denis also did three 3A!!! and Chan only two)))



    Exactly!
    Plushenko twitted to Denis! and everybody took it wrong way))) Evgeni should stick to his radio!






    Don't forget Chinqanta threatining Plushenko if he speaks up after the SP. It was illegal too.
    I forgot!! Cinquanta was almost the worst!! The head of the isu calling him one note!! Piano player who only hits one key! The head of the isu before the lp bashing and crucifying he leader of the sp!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilywang View Post
    So it is ok to put negative spin on Plushenko. Then it would be even less a problem for others to poke holes in the positive spin around Chan or Chanada. Fair play, huh?
    Plushenko himself is asking for that by jumping right into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post
    As long as Plushenko wins in Sochi with mistakes (Chan's precedent-home cuntry, home ice) all should be happy, including flawless Chan and his ubers.
    Let's be clear of this. Plushenko will not win Sochi with or without mistakes. There are simply too many top skaters he needs to concour. The best he might do is to stay on the podium. You don't have to believe me, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    I really don't like Plushenko at all and I also think that he is arrogant and was overscored many times (terrible choreos and interpretations) but hey, he did not lie. Not only Plushenko has that opinion, Todd Eldredge, Johnny Weir, Christina Gao, Sonia Bianchetti, many other skaters, authorities and commentators also share his point of view. Actually, everybody except his fans and some canadians know that Patrick did not deserve his last 2 world titles.
    He isn't arrogant. You know there are two Plushenko.. One, what is everybody knows: the competitor Plushy-we his fans say when he is in combat mode, and second one when he isn't. Maybe in combat mode he looks like arrogant, but in real life he is a kind person. I believe the real personality shown away from the cameras ...Last year Plush was in China on the great Artistry on Ice show.
    from his official website:

    "And fans all say that he is absolutely nice to the fans. Once you get to know him, he is acting all adorable, goofy and endearing around you. :-)

    There was also a girl working backstage as an assistant to the show's wardrobe department, she reported some "inside scoop". She had lots of chances going to the Men's changing room, :-) and saw Plushy and Vitlay a lot. Plushy also asked their help to iron the costume.

    She said Plushy is very tall, has a great body, and truly being very polite, respectful and mild mannered to others. But Plushy is giving wardrobe department headache, ;;-))) as he often forgot where his costume or props are, he is forgetful in such an adorable way.

    In the end the girl cannot help herself but asked for a hug, Plushy hugged her and she was speechless. They also took picture together, she told him "I love you" in Russian, and he startled a bit, and said "Thank you. Love you too. Goodbye."

    and a report from one grils who was in his training camp (Pinzolo, some girls used to go to his training camp)

    "About this, I want to tell an episode, which shows another feature of Evgeni Plushenko to those who know him only as a proud champion and sometimes aloof.
    We’re sitting on the usual place, in the stands, waiting to watch his workout, when the sound of suitcases laid on the ground makes turn our heads. It's Evgeni, evidently returning from an intense session in the gym, sweating and red in the face, a white towel around his neck.
    At the same time we see coming down Chiara, who had announced his arrival today: she tells us that Evgeni had reached her on the stairs and he snatched away the baggage, after having embraced and warmly welcomed her. Then, he preceded her, carrying the bags and bringing her to us. We stare at him open-mouthed, and he smiled, amused by our surprise. He asked us "How are you?" and when we asked him how he was doing, he replied:: "Still alive!". Then he went to change his clothes to get on the rink. Also this is Evgeni Plushenko"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Plushenko himself is asking for that by jumping right into it.
    Ditto to Chan then! The only difference would be Plushenko may jumped into it with his skates, while Chan did it with his butt .

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